An odd question about time travel...

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Originally Posted by ChimpoUA

Ah, okay! Thx for the explanation, I don't have a big knowledge about the bible (never read it), or anything with the christian religion (I was "gedoopt" though, don't know the English word for that...)

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Yeah, Well I should have said that it's not a humans place to judge someone anyway... so You remided me :minkoff:

I tell you one think I'm ethier gonna get hammered or asked questions by someone :S

or not....

Time travel already exists. We travel forward in time at the rate of one second (universal) to the second (internally perceived) normally, and as we approaches relativistic speeds (nearing the speed of light), this ratio decreases, basically slowing down time for us relative to the universe at large. In theory within Einsteinian space ("In theory" meaning we're going to take the idea and stretch it as far as we can before it snaps ;)), a photon or other mass-less particle has no time, travelling at the speed of light exactly, and FTL speeds reduce the ratio still further, meaning time travel into the past. Of course, travelling at or above the speed of light in Einsteinian space is impossible, which neatly circumvents that possibility. Other ideas include wormholes in space-time creating conduit between past and future, or the such, but all of these are merely hypotheses, FTL travel included. Relativistic speeds, on the other hand, allows you to effectively travel into the past (still in the future from your start, but the past relative to the universe) by slowing you down.

One of the most interesting arguments against time travel I've found, though, is that time travel with intervention doesn't exist because if it did, we wouldn't have a past. We'd see hundreds of temporal tourists on Omaha Beach. People would be queuing up to kill Hitler, Stalin, Mao, or Churchill, DeGaulle, FDR (matter of view on the past)...Genghis Khan would have died a hundred times just out of his cradle, perhaps. Considering the sort of games I play and that desire to someday finish a millenial serial (1066-1948) and write an AAR about it, I've had to give this a bit of thought. It doesn't mean intervention is impossible, it just makes it extremely difficult, and leads to the possibility of a regulating body in the future preventing such actions in our present and past.

Yes, We do travel forward in time. one moment after another.

What's always puzzled me about time travel is, how would you excist in the present, if your exploring the past? surely when you travel back, there will be a gap in time were you did'nt excist in the present, because you were in the past.

Also, your body would still age, so you would live a shorter life in the present.

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Originally Posted by Xena

Does Fate Rule Our Lives? Or Does God Hold Us Responsible?
Who holds us accountable? God. Who, then, fixes our fate? Many would also answer: �God.� But is that logical? Would you force a person to do something and then later blame him for having done it? Consider a father who in the morning locks the doors of the house in order to prevent his son from going outside. When he comes home that evening, he finds that his son has stayed home all day. Now, what if the father asks his son why he did not go outside, perhaps even punishing him for being lazy? Would that be just? What would you think of such a father?
�That would never happen,� you say. Yet, according to some, that is what God does. If good and bad are from God and he has written everything on our foreheads, as it were, why would he hold us responsible for doing bad? If what we do is what God has determined, why are we held accountable for our actions? Why must we answer to God for something about which we had no choice?
Perhaps at this point you are thinking: Who are we to understand God�s ways?
Reflect, though. These questions affect all of us. In this world, we have only one life to live, and it passes very quickly. The way we live our life is profoundly affected by our answers to the questions mentioned above. If God has determined our fate, why would we bother to try to improve ourselves? Why even bother to learn about God? Words like �right� and �wrong,� �sin� and �merit,� are meaningless. If it is our fate to do something that we regard as wrong, then we will do it anyway because we cannot change what has been predetermined.
If, though, that is the way things are, why has God taught us his commandments? Why did he send the prophets? Why have books, called God�s Word, been written? If fate rules, would not all these things be pointless? Surely, human intelligence objects to reasoning that contradicts itself. The logical human mind cannot accept it.
On the other hand, if we have free will and God holds us accountable for what we do, then we have to use our short life to take in accurate knowledge about God and his purposes and learn to live our lives the way he wants us to. This becomes the personal responsibility of every living human. No one else can serve God on our behalf. One is reminded of a Turkish proverb, �Each mutton is hung by its own leg.� That is, each one must answer for his own misdeeds.

Fate is not possible.

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Aside from your reasoning being flawed (meaning you're wrong even if God does exist), you're outright ignoring the impossibility of free will there.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Aside from your reasoning being flawed (meaning you're wrong even if God does exist), you're outright ignoring the impossibility of free will there.

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Fine.

Destiny it is for you then.

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Originally Posted by Xena

Fine.

Destiny it is for you then.

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heh :P

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Originally Posted by Xena

What's always puzzled me about time travel is, how would you excist in the present, if your exploring the past? surely when you travel back, there will be a gap in time were you did'nt excist in the present, because you were in the past.

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No, unless you wanted it to be that way. After all, if you can choose a time in the past to head to, why can't you decide to return, say, a second after leaving the present in the first place?

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Originally Posted by Xena

Also, your body would still age, so you would live a shorter life in the present.

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And this is perfectly true. Time travel won't stop your body from aging at all. It doesn't make it possible or impossible, but is certainly a significant limiting factor.

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Originally Posted by Sprung

heh :P

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I'm sorry I just hate it when people say your wrong! and then thats it.... It gives me nothing to go on....

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Originally Posted by Xena

I'm sorry I just hate it when people say your wrong! and then thats it.... It gives me nothing to go on....

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Well, you're certainly wrong about that. :P

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Originally Posted by Xena

I'm sorry I just hate it when people say your wrong! and then thats it.... It gives me nothing to go on....

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Don't worry, I'll post a few paragraphs later. A bit busy right now, but this is a subject I'm interested in, so I'm not letting you go with just that.

Personally, I wouldn't want to go back in time and change anything. Nothing at all. What's the fucking point of living if you're going to decide exactly what is going to happen to you every moment and how things should go. I don't live with any regrets and I wouldn't change a thing about my life and I hope I never have to.
Edit: I won't have to, but I hope I never get to a point where I feel like I want to.

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Originally Posted by Himiko

Well, you're certainly wrong about that. :P

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Oh you have such wit. Now explain! :P

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Originally Posted by Himiko

No, unless you wanted it to be that way. After all, if you can choose a time in the past to head to, why can't you decide to return, say, a second after leaving the present in the first place?

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What I mean is, the period of time in the present will still occur while your in the past, so even if you go back to when you first traveled to the past, there will be a gap in time in the future when you were not there, but mabye only in a diffrent dimention.... or something... :wacko:

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

Don't worry, I'll post a few paragraphs later. A bit busy right now, but this is a subject I'm interested in, so I'm not letting you go with just that.

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No. PMs or ill ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Dingy

Personally, I wouldn't want to go back in time and change anything. Nothing at all. What's the fucking point of living if you're going to decide exactly what is going to happen to you every moment and how things should go. I don't live with any regrets and I wouldn't change a thing about my life and I hope I never have to.
Edit: I won't have to, but I hope I never get to a point where I feel like I want to.

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Exactly...

Butterfly Effect. Makes sense.