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Where did you hear this? What makes you think the PS3 will have built in Wi-Fi, i would not doubt it... but still what's the point if it's stationary.Quote:
Originally Posted by achilles1785
Edit: it just occured for me, 802.11b is not very fast, and i doubt it would be fast enought to do the graphics... unless i am vastly overestimating the power of current gen graphic processers.
I don't know you, so I won't make a personal judgement on you. But that has to be the stupidest thing I think i have ever read. Nothing used today could ever provide enough wireless bandwidth to support the processing of a PSP level game on the move. The wireless connection for multiplayer gaming does not have the capability of carrying the complex instructions required to process the game data. It is merely there for sending small bits of info for the other payer's positioning data to be able to appear on your handheld. One could argue the Nintendo DS has single cart wireless multiplay capabilities, but we are talking PSP level graphics and gameplay here.Quote:
Originally Posted by achilles1785
The analogy you use, about sleeping computers, failed as well. In those instances, you download and run a specific program, which uses processing power from your computer to process a small packet of information, then the packed it stored. Nothing is done in real time, and the processing is not 'live'.
Cell processing technology is indeed impressive, but you give it much more credit than it deserves.
okay here's a pic not sure if its cg yet
http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/nfs.jpg
but it's from supposedly the ps3 system and heres the article I got it from
PlayStation 3 chip has split personality
SAN FRANCISCO--The chip that will run the next version of the PlayStation video game machine will have nine processor cores and run faster than 4GHz, the chip's designers revealed Monday.
Engineers from Sony, IBM and Toshiba revealed those and other specifications for the Cell processor during a press conference at the International Solid-State Circuits Conference, where technical papers on the Cell design will be presented this week.
The three companies have been working on Cell for several years, promising to deliver a high-performance chip optimized for multimedia applications. Test production of Cell chips is set to begin later this year, and the processors will appear later in workstation PCs optimized for animation and other graphics chores. The chip will also power the next version of Sony's PlayStation game console, which is widely expected to be released late this year or early next year.
While analysts and researchers have already puzzled out most of the basic aspects of the Cell design, Monday's announcements included some of the first specifics.
Cell will have a 64-bit IBM Power processor and eight "synergistic processing units" capable of handling separate computing tasks, said Jim Kahle, an IBM Fellow. The Power processor will act as the brain of the chip, running the main operating system for an application and divvying up chores for the other processors.
The eight "synergistic" processors are a step forward from current computing system designs, in which the graphics chip draws pixels and the central processor does everything else. The Cell cores have media-specific instructions baked in, but they are flexible and smart enough to handle nonmedia tasks, said Brian Flachs, an IBM engineer. "It represents an important middle ground between graphics processors and central processors," he said.
The multicore design will give software developers tremendous flexibility, Kahle said, allowing them to run multiple operating systems on the same chip and experiment with variations on grid computing.
"It's designed from the beginning to work in a world where all the computers are tied together," he said.
Future versions of Cell chips could have more or fewer processing units depending on what device and software designers require, Kahle said. "There are a number of different ways to implement parallelism on the chip," he said.
How those processing units are used is up to software developers, including the game makers who will soon start wrestling with the PlayStation 3. Kahle said IBM and its Cell partners will provide game developers and other code writers with open-source tools and guidelines for working with Cell but that game developers will have final say on how they chop up computing tasks among the processing units.
"It's really...up to the game developer," he said. "You can program it in many different ways."
Other Cell numbers include the following.
� The first version of the chip will run at speeds faster than 4GHz. Engineers were vague about how much faster, but reports from design partners say 4.6GHz is likely. By comparison, the fastest current Pentium PC processor tops out at 3.8GHz.
� Cell can process 256 billion calculations per second (256 gigaflops), falling a wee bit short of marketing hyperbole calling it a "supercomputer on a chip." The slowest machine on the current list of the Top 500 supercomputers can do 851 gigaflops.
� The chip will have 2.5MB of on-chip memory and have the ability to shuttle data to and from off-chip memory at speeds up to 100 gigabytes per second, using XDR and FlexIO interface technology licensed from Rambus.
"One of the key messages you hear from the architects of next-generation chips is that their performance is being limited by off-chip bandwidth," said Rich Warmke, product marketing manager at Rambus. "We've really licked that with Cell. One hundred gigabytes per second is really unprecedented in the industry."
� The chip will have 234 million transistors, measure 221mm square and be produced using advanced 90-nanometer chipmaking processes. Peter Glaskowsky, a consultant at research company The Envisioneering Group, said he expects Cell production to shift to a 65-nanometer process, however, as IBM introduces the chipmaking technology later this year.
While the PlayStation 3 is likely to be the first mass-market product to use Cell, the chip's designers have said the flexible architecture means that Cell will be useful for a wide range of applications, from servers to cell phones. Initial devices are unlikely to be any smaller than a game console, however--the first version of the Cell will run hot enough to require a cooling fan, Kahle said.
Some competitors, however, are skeptical that Cell will find much of a home outside of video games. One of the big problems with Cell, said Justin Rattner, an Intel Fellow, is that the processing units aren't identical, a situation that increases complexity and the opportunity for bugs.
"You've got this asymmetry," Rattner said. "It's like having two kinds of motors under the hood. We are very reluctant to adopt architectures like this because they take compatibility and throw it out the window."
CNET News.com's Michael Kanellos contributed to this report.
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and heres a little more on the question about the wifi capabilities
The US patent office's website is a strange and beautiful thing. As well as all manner of unusual and downright wacky US inventions, it's often a repository of the great big things that companies like Sony simply don't want to tell you.
Today's revelation courtesy of the US patent office is news of wi-fi connectivity and distribution between the PSP and the as yet unseen PS3. Sony has filed a patent number 20040266529 (for those of you who'd like to check it out in full), which appears to show that the PS3 and PSP will be able to connect wirelessly and share content including games, movies and music.
"In view of the foregoing, there is a need for a portable game device that is small enough to truly be portable, is capable of providing rich interactive content, and is reasonably priced."
So what we'd picture is an online-enabled PS3 providing a channel to the net, plus the raw grunt and processing power which it wirelessly communicates to the PSP where you'll play or enjoy the actual content. Fascinating stuff. So it looks like Sony envisages the PS3 and PSP working almost as one unit, to bring you the latest in games, movies, music and audio.
Intriguing, and it will also mount a direct challenge to Microsoft's Xbox 2 as the all-in-one entertainment system to capture your living room. [computerandvideogames.com]
it has so much potential I'm almost drooling :drool: to have it know. the ds can't compare
the future looks so bright
of course theres nothing right know. This like I already said is all speculative and developmental (I'm sorry if the big words scare you) and,
yes you can do small packet work on small computers no not in real time it requires streaming over a t3 line and it's still not in real time I thought it was already inferred and I didn't have to go into detail about that
but like I thought I was saying the possibility is there it just requires a way to increase the bandwith
All that is impressive, but nothing backed up the shared processing you referenced. Wifi streaming of multimedia content isn't the same as on the fly wireless processing of in game data.
EDIT: (I'm sorry if the big words scare you) <--- I am letting that slide. You, sir, are lucky.
Didnt i steal i mean make a thread on the PS3 not to long ago?
I can't tell you the facts until the system comes out but from the information I have it's still possible
and whats the difference it's still multimedia its still just numbers with 01010101 it simply breaks down into whether they can encode there games to use streaming shrink it down so that the game is compatible figure out a way to increase the connection speed (okay yeah thats alot) but it's still possible.
ps: sprung I'm sorry but you tried me first :harp: :evilgrin:
You do know their is more to a console then processing power and graphics... take the N64 for instance... much more powerful then the PS1... yet a lot of developers decided to make games for the PS1, because it was easyer and it used CD's...Quote:
Originally Posted by achilles1785
All im saying is this... the PSP, might have a fatal flaw like the N64 did, something that could divert producers from making games for it...
The PS3 could have a fatal flaw as well, in the Cell chip,Quote:
The chip that will run the next version of the PlayStation video game machine will have nine processor cores
Nine processor cores, could make programing games for it, very fun....Quote:
One of the big problems with Cell, said Justin Rattner, an Intel Fellow, is that the processing units aren't identical, a situation that increases complexity and the opportunity for bugs.
It's to early to declare a winner... if their is such a thing anyway.
Don't push your fucking luck. Sprung let you off, but I'm not nearly as nice a guy. Learn to drop shit, or I'll make sure you drop off EP's member list.Quote:
Originally Posted by achilles1785
Oh yeah, if you actually read his post, Sprung mentioned that he wasn't making a personal judgment on you, but what you posted. A person can say that something you said was mind-numbingly stupid without it meaning that you yourself are stupid. So yeah, he didn't "try you first". :eyeball: