A Game To Feature The 9/11 Attack

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Originally Posted by KONAMI Man

More countries than the US in the wold...? My comment had nothing to do with that, nor was it implied, nor do I have reason to believe that... Not just in the US, anywhere in the world, I'm sure (almost) everyone knows what 9/11 was about... In stark contrast, other "isolated" incidents don't even gather enough attention to stay in people's minds for more than a few days/weeks... Fuck, I'm sure not a whole lot of people outside Mexico know about the '85 earthquake in Mexico City...



Hyping your game at the expense of real-life disasters in which countless lives were lost is a bad idea, and 9/11 is just one of them... Perhaps the most predominant one on people's minds, and that's why we're discussing here... Right...?

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I'll conced defeat on the area of 911 being more well known, though If i lived in paraguay or some other country not so america-tied-in-to(one word), I'd go out on the streets and do some polls :P.


anyhow, they arn't really hyping the game very well anyway, as I never even heard of the game 'till this thread, but as i said, 911 isn't that predominantly on peoples minds.... it wasn't even that big a disaster compared to some in the world (not to try and take away from how bad it was), although it may be the biggest one in the game...

I don't even understand why we have to discuss this... you say this:

"Hyping your game at the expense of real-life disasters in which countless lives were lost is a bad idea"

..... no one complains about games featuring D-day, and I don't think anyone would complain about a game featuring the battle of sommes*(correct me if I'm wrong, but i believe more people died in the battle of somes then in 911)
*As a side not, I would really love a world war one themed game

So why is it that this is so much worse then the above mentioned?
If anything, we should be complaining about them claiming the game is original, when it is such a rip off of the disaster report theme :P

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

Again, it's as if, while the game is going to feature alot more then just the WTC attacks, that it's thier main selling point. Meh, I don't particularly care anymore.

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Go to their website(findable through that link), it is hardly a main selling point, it's not even first on their list.

You have to consider how recent the tragedies featured in this game are. D-Day happened a LONG time ago, and as such, people aren't as offended by movies and games featuring that tragedy. But 9-11 happened three years ago, and is still fresh in people's minds. Featuring the tragedy in a game right now is a little distasteful.

Though as it's been mentioned before, there's a chance that this game won't even come out. Noone's picked it up for release, and there's a big chance that due tot he subject matter, noone will.

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

You have to consider how recent the tragedies featured in this game are. D-Day happened a LONG time ago, and as such, people aren't as offended by movies and games featuring that tragedy. But 9-11 happened three years ago, and is still fresh in people's minds. Featuring the tragedy in a game right now is a little distasteful.

Though as it's been mentioned before, there's a chance that this game won't even come out. Noone's picked it up for release, and there's a big chance that due tot he subject matter, noone will.

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eh... somehow even if it was more rescent, I still think a game with the battle of sommes should be considered more distasteful(if any of this is to be considered such), as it's just the sheer loss of life that tips it over, but still, even if the battle of some had just happened, i still don't think anyone would complain(excpet incompatent officers who would be badly portrayed in an such acurate game)


ah... you need to think in the mind of a publisher eh... game studio there, what was it, reply?, might be just trying to make a fun game, but a publisher, now they will see all that contreversy as a good thing, it's already sold copies before it's on sale if it has something like that.
remember, all the contraversy around GTA over in russia helped it sell copies there...



ugh... my spelling and grammer is terrible today... i havn't slept in 3 or 4 days, please ignore the terrible spelling and grammer.

Y'know, I'm tired of arguing the point. Say what you will, I still think the game's a bad idea, and the fact that it features the 9-11 attacks tips the scale into the realm of bad taste IMO.

Oh, and before I make my exit, I'd like to say that a tragedy isn't measured by body count. To write off the severity of the 9-11 incident just because it didn't have as large a body-count as another tragedy is not an intelligent thing to do.

Also, you can hardly equate the controversy to be found in GTA with that of this game, and what it's attempting to do....

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

Y'know, I'm tired of arguing the point. Say what you will, I still think the game's a bad idea, and the fact that it features the 9-11 attacks tips the scale into the realm of bad taste IMO.

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One quick question before you completly abandon the arguement, what do you think is the proper amount of time before this wouldn't be distastful then?, after all you did say it was distastful because it was only 3 years ago.

I think what he was saying is that the reason it isn't as bad to portray D-Day is because there are not many people left that remember it that well. It is also part of a war that forever changed the scope of the world. The VFW (Vetran's of Foreign Wars) even supports some WWII games and says they contain educational value such as the game Band or Brothers I think.

The reason this is very controversial is that 9/11 wasn't in a war. It was innocent civilians that lost their lives including many children. This is what sets this apart from something like D-day. When an act of terror kills thousands of innocent people including children it is different. It is also still very fresh in people's minds. It will be on the scale of Pearl Harbor when everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news. I still remember it like yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Josh

I think what he was saying is that the reason it isn't as bad to portray D-Day is because there are not many people left that remember it that well. It is also part of a war that forever changed the scope of the world. The VFW (Vetran's of Foreign Wars) even supports some WWII games and says they contain educational value such as the game Band or Brothers I think.

The reason this is very controversial is that 9/11 wasn't in a war. It was innocent civilians that lost their lives including many children. This is what sets this apart from something like D-day. When an act of terror kills thousands of innocent people including children it is different. It is also still very fresh in people's minds. It will be on the scale of Pearl Harbor when everyone remembers where they were when they heard the news. I still remember it like yesterday.

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mhmm... and what about the afore mentioned battle of sommes, half of those people were innocent drafties,
and for the record, i don't remember where i was when i heard about sept.11, but I do remember where I was when i heard they wre making a Front Mission 4. My point? remembering where you were when something happens meens didly squat in terms of improtance.

Do you actually absorb anything that's written here, or do you just skim over it quick enough to form some bullshit counterpoint?

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

Do you actually absorb anything that's written here, or do you just skim over it quick enough to form some bullshit counterpoint?

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yeesh.
listen, if you want to say my counterpoints are bull shit, that is fine(infact, they likely are, as i am very tired and not thinking properly), but I should think that you would give a reason as to how they are bullshit, instead of just saying they are so.

Well, you counter everyone's responses with nonsence about how Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, and by saying the 9-11 attacks aren't that big a deal because the body count wasn't all that big. That's pretty much bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

You do have some good points, but when you say shit like that, it's hard to take you seriously.

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

Well, you counter everyone's responses with nonsence about how Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, and by saying the 9-11 attacks aren't that big a deal because the body count wasn't all that big. That's pretty much bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

You do have some good points, but when you say shit like that, it's hard to take you seriously.

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I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does.
My main point in that area was supposed to be something along the lines that we wouldn't be discussing the big contraversy behind having september 11th in the game if it had happened in paraguay, or some other country. Which is not to say that americans wouldn't care about it, but it wouldn't be considered as big a controversy to them.

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Originally Posted by karragh

I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does.
My main point in that area was supposed to be something along the lines that we wouldn't be discussing the big contraversy behind having september 11th in the game if it had happened in paraguay, or some other country. Which is not to say that americans wouldn't care about it, but it wouldn't be considered as big a controversy to them.

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Right. And that would mean that you've totally missed the posts in which I said I believed that this game was a bad idea all around, but that it was the 9-11 attacks that threw it over the realm of a bad idea into the realm of bad taste, eh? Good job...

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

Right. And that would mean that you've totally missed the posts in which I said I believed that this game was a bad idea all around, but that it was the 9-11 attacks that threw it over the realm of a bad idea into the realm of bad taste, eh? Good job...

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we arn't talking about just your posts though now are we. there has been more people in this thread then just you and me, huh, imagine that.
I posted in reply to several other people, and you are trying to seem clever by pointing out I missed a point I never missed? interesting....

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Originally Posted by karragh

we arn't talking about just your posts though now are we. there has been more people in this thread then just you and me, huh, imagine that.
I posted in reply to several other people, and you are trying to seem clever by pointing out I missed a point I never missed? interesting....

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No shit sherlock, but you continue to speak as if this is a sentiment shared by all Americans, when it should be clear even to you that there's at least one here who doesn't think in those terms. I pointed this out, because you seem to have refused to acknowledge that. Could it be that you don't want to backpeddle on your stance? Interesting, cause you pretty much already have a couple times. First it was that we don't care unless it happens to us, now it's we don't care as much if it doesn't happen to us.

Which might I point out would be pretty much true of any country out there. If something happens directly to you, it impacts you far more then it would if it happened in another country. It doesn't mean that you don't care, just that it doesn't hit home as hard as when it hits home, you follow?

What I find tired and offensive is that you'd peg that as a purely American trait. Though I suppose these days it's pretty popular to give us shit for everything, even if it's something that everyone's guilty of.

And I'm not trying to seem clever, I am clever. Try and keep up. :P

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Originally Posted by Cyberxion

No shit sherlock, but you continue to speak as if this is a sentiment shared by all Americans, when it should be clear even to you that there's at least one here who doesn't think in those terms. I pointed this out, because you seem to have refused to acknowledge that. Could it be that you don't want to backpeddle on your stance? Interesting, cause you pretty much already have a couple times. First it was that we don't care unless it happens to us, now it's we don't care as much if it doesn't happen to us.

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Look back at my earlier posts, I don't recall ever saying anything negative american, I recall saying something to one member about recognizing other countries, but that was responding to one person, not all americans.
and I also never said that you wouldn't care, once again these are words that you are putting in my mouth, and yet basing your entire arguement on, when I never said them.

The closest I came to saying that was in my line about the quote from airframe, where the quote I refered to was explaining about how Americans hear alot more about their own disasters, and there for don't think about other's as much(as any country does)...... Interesting, I am, like, so anti-american eh?
Granted I didn't say that line how I ment to, but most people can see I didn't meen it exactly as it sounds, it was a miss typing of my words, as I said, I hadn't slept for near 6 days i think....
I said the words, "As american's do", not because I beleived it was a solely american trait, but because america was the only country we were talking about at the moment.

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What I find tired and offensive is that you'd peg that as a purely American trait. Though I suppose these days it's pretty popular to give us shit for everything, even if it's something that everyone's guilty of.

Which might I point out would be pretty much true of any country out there. If something happens directly to you, it impacts you far more then it would if it happened in another country. It doesn't mean that you don't care, just that it doesn't hit home as hard as when it hits home, you follow?

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seems you were the one not paying attention.... read what I said earlier:

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Originally Posted by karragh

I'm not trying to say Americans don't care about anything unless it happens to them, more I'm trying to say that they care more if it happens to them, as any country does

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as you can see, I already made the point that it was true of any country.