I think he is innocent, and the people putting up charges against him are short of money. If one sues him, everybody else does too...
The thing about MJ and 300 kids in his room, playing with him. Get real, that is soooo lame.
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I think he is innocent, and the people putting up charges against him are short of money. If one sues him, everybody else does too...
The thing about MJ and 300 kids in his room, playing with him. Get real, that is soooo lame.
Well he does have a amusement park (which I might add costed him so much that he can't pay for it) so i think there are over 300 kids, although I don't think 300 people can fit into a bedroom...unless his bedroom is huge.
EDIT: since there are so many people visiting his amusement park, I wonder if people still visit it (since his recent issue)
i personally think he is not guilty. he is a very strange guy and he should not have custody of his children, but i think the parents of the kid are just trying 2 mooch money off of him.
Saying he doesn't deserve his kids is kind of harsh. I mean, yeah, he covers their face but thats just that no one will treat them differently for being his children. The baby dangling thing, well, he didn't drop him. At least he is there for his kids, which is a lot more than most fathers can say.Quote:
Originally posted by artist088
i personally think he is not guilty. he is a very strange guy and he should not have custody of his children, but i think the parents of the kid are just trying 2 mooch money off of him.
He will jsut be fined. I don't like fifty cent but he is correct that it is true in our society that "money make the world go round', so lets get more".(:
What's the difference between Micheal Jackson and a Plastic Bag?
Ohe is white, made of plastic and is dangerous to children, and the other you can put groceries into. :P
What did the lady at the beach say to michael jackson
could you please get out of my sun (son)
I simply cannot believe that everyone is being so presumptious here. How can we pass judgement (of whatever opinion) over a man we dont even know? I in part blame the media, which to be quite honest, has been a ****ing joke throughout. There is no way that this man, and indeed the child involved, will se a fair trial should this case make it as far as the courts.
And whilst I find peoples standing up for him admirable, here is a man who is into his 40's who has, quite unashamedly, slept with children. That is not ****ing right, by any stretch of the imagination - and given the previous charges against him he is a complete idiot for still choosing to share his bed with children.
But on a lighter note;
I heard that you are so ugly as a kid that when stayed over at Neverland Micheal Jackson made you stay in your own bed.
i think the kids mom wants money because on the news it said MJ used to suport money wise them but then stopped and now there blaming MJ it sounds fishy how the mom said that after he stopped supporting her
Ugh. What is with you Clive? Not everyone here is being presumptious here, and those who are aren't being so without reason. And while the media is taking this MJ scandal to the limits, not everyone is blinded by the attention they are giving to the scandal.Quote:
Originally posted by Clive
I simply cannot believe that everyone is being so presumptious here. How can we pass judgement (of whatever opinion) over a man we dont even know? I in part blame the media, which to be quite honest, has been a ****ing joke throughout. There is no way that this man, and indeed the child involved, will se a fair trial should this case make it as far as the courts.
And whilst I find peoples standing up for him admirable, here is a man who is into his 40's who has, quite unashamedly, slept with children. That is not ****ing right, by any stretch of the imagination - and given the previous charges against him he is a complete idiot for still choosing to share his bed with children.
But on a lighter note;
I heard that you are so ugly as a kid that when stayed over at Neverland Micheal Jackson made you stay in your own bed.
I personally don't even give a shit what the media has to say about the case, and in fact have stayed away from their influence for all it's worth. I find the constant coverage to be very annoying, and quickly change the channel to something less draining.
And I'm sure you've noticed that I myself am not outright condemning him as a pedophile, but merely feel that given his penchant for sleeping in the same bed with young boys, one could be forgiven for suspecting the the worst of him. I'm not outright saying he's guilty, which isn't for me to decide. But as I said, his actions give one reason to wonder.....
Erm, that was my point. All I ever seem to hear from people is that 'hes just living his childhood' or 'he's just a big child at heart'. By presumtious I mean, at least in this case, the presumption of innocence. Thus Im not going to jump on the proverbial bandwagon because I find his behaviour begs several questions. And whilst you might not care for what the media has to say, there are many who are easily bought into the effective general train of thought - or whatever the media decides to orchestrate.Quote:
Originally posted by Cyberxion
Ugh. What is with you Clive? Not everyone here is being presumptious here, and those who are aren't being so without reason. And while the media is taking this MJ scandal to the limits, not everyone is blinded by the attention they are giving to the scandal.
I personally don't even give a shit what the media has to say about the case, and in fact have stayed away from their influence for all it's worth. I find the constant coverage to be very annoying, and quickly change the channel to something less draining.
And I'm sure you've noticed that I myself am not outright condemning him as a pedophile, but merely feel that given his penchant for sleeping in the same bed with young boys, one could be forgiven for suspecting the the worst of him. I'm not outright saying he's guilty, which isn't for me to decide. But as I said, his actions give one reason to wonder.....
And theres no problems with me, I was merely observing, not critisising. As I say, I find the faith that many put into him admirable.
Well, I misunderstood the point of your post then. I had just woken up when I'd typed that, so bugger off. :P But seriously though, I can't imagine why anyone would believe he's innocent. He sleeps with children. There's something very wrong with that, and anyone who has faith in his innocence given that is either delusional or...well I dunno. :D
...or Micheal Jackson? :P
Yeah, or MJ. :P
micheal jackson is awesome. i ahte how everyone bashes him a lot
I do this for your own good son. Michael Jackson is ....stupid!(:Quote:
Originally posted by youthquake
micheal jackson is awesome. i ahte how everyone bashes him a lot
if you haven't listened to the music, get off the dance floor son
Yes his music isn't that bad, you should download some.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html
I'm pretty sure it's real... (http://snopes.com/legal/jackson.htm)
People like you bother the hell out of me. Well, not you personally, but the fact that you seem to believe Micheal Jackson's music somehow elevates him to a level of deity, as if he's incapable of doing wrong, or making mistakes. Look, just because he's responsible for some great music, it doesn't make him a Saint. He's a human being, and one that's done some very odd things in his life. From extensive cosmetic surgery, to dangling his child out a window, to SLEEPING WITH CHILDREN, MJ has proven that he's far from infallible. So please, get off it man. He get's slammed on because he's done things to deserve it. His music aside, he very well could be a child molesting freak, so deal with that possibility.Quote:
Originally posted by youthquake
if you haven't listened to the music, get off the dance floor son
Well right there you are presuming his guilt. The process of judicial prosecution is "innocent until proven guilty." Also, in cases of rape and molestation, it's not the accused who has to prove himself innocent, its the accuser who has to prove him guilty, and so far I haven't seen the prosecution bring up anything but circumstantial evidence. I'm gonna steal a line from George Eliot in the novel Adam Bede, "...until we know what has been or will be the peculiar combination of outward and inward facts, which constitute a man's critical actions, it will be better not to think ourselves wise about his character."Quote:
Originally posted by Clive
By presumtious I mean, at least in this case, the presumption of innocence.
But you also have to take into consideration that the man's actions speak volumes for his character. It's not as if people are condemning him without reason, nor are most people who've participated in this thread condemning him outright. However, I'll once more point out that the man has admitted to sleaping with these children. Not in the same room, mind you, but in the same bed. And whle you are right when you say that one cannot assume his guilt, even given his rather damning admissions, we can most certainly suspect that he's a molester when we take that into account. We are merely speculating due to what we know of the man.
At this point things don't look to good for him, he having admitted to sleeping with children years after having been previously charged for the exact same crime, and having settled the matter out of court. If that isn't reason enough to convict him, and it certainly isn't, it is indeed enough to make one take pause and wonder just what this man is up to.
Dont get me wrong, I am not labelling MJ as either innocent or guilty, and whilst my view sways more to the latter I will not zealously defend him nor accuse him. The fact of the matter is, MJ has admitted to sleeping with children - which I know doesnt constitute as molestation - but is indeed not something that a person would normally do. And there is an incredible shroud of secrecy with regards to the Neverland ranch, which does leave the alleged occurances there somewhat open to speculation.Quote:
Originally posted by mystic_knight
Well right there you are presuming his guilt. The process of judicial prosecution is "innocent until proven guilty."
But then, as you say, any evidence that has cropped up so far has been entirely circumstantial, as is often the way with cases of this nature. Which is why I choose to take a neutral view, of sorts.
I find the fact that he admits it is better than it coming out sometime during the hearing. That way people already know and it has no shock value and it also loses the suspision(sp? i just realized I don't know how to spell that word) that most would gather for hiding it.
Well, I'd imagine the fact that he admitted to it would only add to the suspicion, rather then take from it. In the real world, wether or not you admit to doing something wrong before someone finds out, it still stands that you've done something wrong. Micheal Jackson's admitted that he slept in the same bed with these children, and that's going to be a large factor in how this case pans out. He's being charged with child-molestation. The fact that he admitted to sleeping with children before the case isn't going make people forget the fact that he did....Quote:
Originally posted by mystic_knight
I find the fact that he admits it is better than it coming out sometime during the hearing. That way people already know and it has no shock value and it also loses the suspision(sp? i just realized I don't know how to spell that word) that most would gather for hiding it.
I heard something on the news today that the kid admitted to child welfare that he wasn't molested or something? :O
Well i think this is all bullshit and the damn parent made this shit up for money, and if u knew that kids were sleeping in his bed why the hell would u still let ur kid go there:S.
I dont think he done what they said but at the same time i think he needs help in the old grey matter:P
What I meant was that admitting it didn't help, but it hurt a lot less than it would have had it came out during a trial or something.Quote:
Originally posted by Cyberxion
Well, I'd imagine the fact that he admitted to it would only add to the suspicion, rather then take from it. In the real world, wether or not you admit to doing something wrong before someone finds out, it still stands that you've done something wrong. Micheal Jackson's admitted that he slept in the same bed with these children, and that's going to be a large factor in how this case pans out. He's being charged with child-molestation. The fact that he admitted to sleeping with children before the case isn't going make people forget the fact that he did....
Now they found some private memos that are against the accusers. Yet, the parents are still filing charges...This may get interesting...