you are right...How will we know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackhammer
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you are right...How will we know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackhammer
If the US government was able to covertly destroy two of the most recognisable buildings in the world and pull the wool over our eyes for six years, don't you think they'd be able to stop "the truth" from spreading via Google Video? Seriously, have you not heard of press leaks or something? In this day and age it would be nigh-on impossible to keep something of that magnitude under wraps for so long. Unless... oh man, unless they want us to believe they're imperfect, thus absolving them of any suspicion... :O
Conspiracy theories are not th in thing; Bush hating and drugged ex-Disney "pop stars" are...
No way dude. Bush is smacking his forehead right now and saying "Shit! Why didn't we put a check on this 'Emuparadise' right away? They are too smart and blowing the whole conspiracy! DOH!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmic
Why hasn't Raymond been banned yet? I'm highly disappointed in you nazi mods :harold:
Heh...this is mostly what happens when you don't take a look back and realize we've done this about several times already. Ya know, though, I think I'll humour you a bit and run the search for you, even if I won't take you seriously enough to actually run with my usual...method.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymond2007
9/11 conspiracy, massive website of allegations, October 2005
9/11 conspiracy, Pentagon-specific, November 2005
I'm pretty sure we had one more in 2006 before I left, but we lost all of that year in the wipe.
HEY!Quote:
Originally Posted by Panda Man
Oh, you mean the new guy...
Like bush could really have orchestrated 9/11. Unless... the DUMB THING IS ALL AN ACT!??!??!?!??!?!??!?!?:wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
Really? I always thought the reason this happened was US imperialism, illuminati conspiracies to get oil, attempts to improve a political career, or a shadow government attempting to gain power in the ensuing chaos. Or an attempt to draw attention away from the faked moon landings and project S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H, the worlds first monkey-alien hybrid.Quote:
Originally Posted by OP
Not a bunch of people refusing to believe everything they see on the internet.
Here's how it works ...it's called fomenting skepicism through the complicit US media, and branding those who question the official explanation as tinfoil-hat freaks, with no credibility whatsoever. Looks like you've bought into that scenario already yourself. There are simply too many loose ends for a thinking person to disregard so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmic
Allright then. Explain the existence of us Non-US people who don't watch US news, don't like the government much (US or non-US, I'm not overly fond of either), understand the science and still don't buy your conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymond2007
They can't afford tin foil? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Can't buy real tin foil here anymore. It's all this dodgy aluminium stuff now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
That would be far shocking than the dumb guy in Scary Movie 1. :wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray_
My view on it..I don't think the US government did it, but if it were that way, I wouldn't be too surprised either.
Pfft. That aluminum stuff aint gonna protect us from the invasions :eyeball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Hmm. I sense a secret illuminati conspiracy to deprive us of our precious tin protection!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
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Yes, because we all know the government is hiding a death star somewhere and decided to fire it into the towers.Quote:
Originally Posted by raymond2007
You say I see a no coverup because I've been brainwashed, I say you see a coverup only because you WANT to see a coverup.
And since we could go back and forth stating who's brainwashed and who isn't, I will simply watch this so called "truth" filled video about 9/11 and point out the numerous errors and poorly constructed arguments.
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Part 1: Demolitions
707 and 767 are "comparable"
Which I suppose is code for "the 767 weighs AT LEAST 50 000 KG's MORE when empty."
Last I checked that wasn't "comparable", that was about 1/3 of a 707. Notice the "at least"? I could spend time tracking down specifics as to what model the TT's were built to withstand and as to what hit the towers, but I have better things to do with my time, and you're already wasting it with this video. I suppose after a "week without sleep" numbers are hard to do.
Two pockets of fire
I don't know about you, but that's what it looked like to me from the outside as well. HOWEVER that doesn't mean the fire wasn't there. I honestly can't see shit inside the building (offices, people) doesn't mean it isn't there.
Fuel used up on initial impact, plane couldn't make that hole, etc. etc.
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/mov/2007/HoffmannWTC.mov
Seems solid enough for me.
If you've ever made your own fire, you know smoke etc. etc.
For starters, I highly doubt the maker of this video has EVER started a fire (no, I'm not a pyro.... although it would explain my urge to burn things then have sex with them). Smoke doesn't always mean a fire is ENTIRELY oxygen deprived. It can also be from the burning of certain objects, substances and chemicals, say, the kind you find in an office complex? Heck the high volume of smoke would probably indicate that there WAS a fire inside the building (there goes your "the fire was minor and the fuel was used up in the initial blast" argument). Way to go video maker, you just discredited yourself. Have a cookie. I baked it with anthrax.
Hmm, they got the manager of the build, but not the designers or engineers. Nor any aeronautical engineers responsible for building and designing boeings. How very odd... perhaps they *gasp* said the director was full of shit? "I believe that the building probably " ? Sounds rather unsure of himself don't he?
yadda yadda, no steel buildings trashed by fire, yadda
Sure, but how many of those fires were started by explosions or plane crashes? All it takes is a combination of a bent structure combined with high heat for the whole thing to go, given it's the right supports and the right place. Ever played jenga? same shit basically.
EDIT- Oh, and remember the Concord? The so called "uncrashable jet"? Then one crashed. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it's impossible.
According to this video, it took 30 minutes for the FIRST tower to fall. Odd, I figured oxygen starved fires would've burned out by then. Not to mention 30 minutes of heat can do quite a bit to metal. Don't beleive me? Stick a nail on a burner set to a low setting, come back in a half hour. Hardly scientific of an accurate model, but an example nonetheless. Combine that with wear and tear, the SIZE of the building compared to the others mentioned, and the fact that there was a PLANE CRASH and an EXPLOSION and you have a totally different situation.
As for the "fires/fuel not considered when making a building plane proof" statement, well I suppose you can chalk that up to lazyness or cheapness. Unless the government is somehow causing big construction companies to cut corners by creating several generations of slackers in preparation for 9/11, but at that point you're just making an ass of yourself.
Look at this steel
I'm looking, and I'm seeing an end cleanly sheered off. Wait a minute, it's so obvious, an army of saw wielding suicidal government employees did it! A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, as a girder is only as strong as whatever's holding it in place. if it's possible to beleive that a bomb could've detached a girder or two, it's possible to believe a plane PLOWING THROUGH A BUILDING AND EXPLODING could've done the same.
it was like they detonated, boom boom boom boom boom
Where are the visible fucking explosions, the priming cables, and the team of guys working the detonators, etc? Oh, I know. They don't exist. Which I guess also accounts for why none of the people in the buildings mentioned seeing explosives, wiring, modified structures for containing the explosives, or dudes flicking switches. Y'know, it's kinda funny how the word "explosion" automatically means "bomb". I mean it's not like there were other things that could've exploded in the building right? Or separate gas tanks in the plane. Or possible other sources. Yup, it's ALWAYS the guys with the shades and the suits. Oh, and the windows would've shattered outwards or something were this a controlled blast. Unless of course the government slacked on the explosions. Yup, they set up this big thing yet they took the chance that they wouldn't have enough explosives to do the job right.
And that's the 15 minute mark.
egh, I'm sure the majority of this needs some referencing or clarification. Regardless, I've had my fill for this setting. More statements to come unless someone else beats me to it.