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You might want to explain why the Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox all have different Canon books then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias
Then you can explain why all of them are different to the old testament Jewish Canon, and why large chunks all 4 groups have Canon events that don't match up to history.
You know what we need? A three-ring-binder Bible. That way we can swap out different books as needed for whichever church we're attending this week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
"Well, we're going to an Anglican church? Pull out Maccabees, Tobit, and Odes, and swap in Esdras and the Prayer of Manasseh. And the week after is Latter Day Saints? Ooh, that's going to take a bit of work."
Hey! I'm the only one allowed to destroy someone's faith around here! That's my job!
Enter the Bible. There's alot of crazy shit in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheezymadman
There is only one way to properly learn the Truth in God's Word and that is to cast aside the "traditions of men" and study His Word chapter by chapter, line by line, and verse by verse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
I Peter 5:8-9—“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil,
as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions
are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world."
Right. So according to you the Bible only works once you strip the verses of any possible context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias
Now, how about you answer my question? Or maybe you'd rather explain the complete lack of evidence for the Deluge and the Exodus?
The anwser is for you to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
Luke 8:4-15
[4] "While a large crowd was gathering and people were coming to Jesus from town after town, he told this parable: [5] 'A farmer went out to sow his seed. As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path; it was trampled on, and the birds of the air ate it up. [6] Some fell on rock, and when it came up, the plants withered because they had no moisture. [7] Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up with it and choked the plants. [8] Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up and yielded a crop, a hundred times more than was sown.' When he said this, he called out, 'He who has ears to hear, let him hear.'
[9] "His disciples asked him what this parable meant. [10] He said, 'The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,
" 'though seeing, they may not see;
though hearing, they may not understand.'
[11] " 'This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God. [12] Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. [13] Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. [14] The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life's worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. [15] But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.' "
Right. So either you don't want to answer my questions or your answer is that your God is a deceitful prick.
Nice options.
Here is more of God's word. Matthew 13 24-30Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
you are a perfect example of why i dont like "People" in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypnos
The meaning of the verse is that you should study the bible, without taking anything or adding anything to it, and you should study the true meaning of every verse, every line and every word.
a general rule for avoiding contradictions in the bible: Dont EVER, EVER take somthing out of context.
Matias: Try posting something that's not copy/pasted ;) Using your own words lends credibility.
How about you stop pasting scripture and start answering my damn questions. I've read the bible, you aren't going to suddenly dissuade me with lines I've read before, especially as we've already established that I don't agree with your premises on scriptural infallibility (and you can at least do people the courtesy of naming which version you're pasting from. It's good manners).
so you are asking him to change the words of the bible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprung
that is against the point
No, I mean he should answer people's questions without copying another verse. To people who don't believe/understand what he's talking about, just quoting another verse isn't going to clear up the first one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee
(I don't mean people here don't understand the Bible, I mean they want clarification, and quoting another verse isn't clarification. That's what leads people to doubt the word. Even a preacher takes time to explain a verse...it's call a sermon.)
what sprung meant was, if he wanted people to respect his views or if he wanted people to actually discuss this topic with him seriously, then he should stop pasting from the bible and start answering questions with his own knowledge and post messages like a human beingQuote:
Originally Posted by Lee
honestly though, people in the olden days were pretty stupid if you ask me... drowning girls if their noses were big because they thought they were witches... killing them if they were smart.. how is the bible any different? how can something so fairy-tail ish be real if it was strongly believed by ignorance in the past? there's no proof what so ever.
Humans have become much smarter than they were hundreds of years ago, hence why more and more people question the bible now