Feminism...

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Originally posted by Mason
I myself am a feminist, and I'm male. I'm all for the equality of the sexes. Now, that isn't to say total equality, that would be silly. There are obvious biological differences between men and women and so there will always be differences between the genders is various social situations as a result. However, there are many places where women don't have basic equality to men. For example, there's no reason why women shouldn't be earning an identical amount of money as men for doing the exact same work. They don't though, they earn about 3/4ths as much (U.S. figure). It's issues like those that don't sit well with me and thus make me a feminist.

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Go Mason! Thankyou for not making me look like a fool..hehe!

Men and Women are not equal, they're different...but it's important to celebrate these differences and not use them to breed inequality in gender (which is the social classification of sex).
Skinner, it's flattering to know that you would want to be ruled by females (:P) But that's not what feminists seek to do...I don't prescribe to the view that simply because vocabulary has always been gendered and biased that we like idiots now start referring to everything as a "she" and not a "he". One of my friends, whose a radical-feminist says that we should refer to everything as female because words like "woman", "she", "female" all include the names for their male counterparts, like the man in woman, etc. Which I think is inane...but anyway, we all live in a deep rooted patriarchial setup that we need to question. And we don't have to be female to do that.

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Originally Posted by Ziegfried

If one gender had to be superior to the other, rule the world and what not, I'd rather it be female. Equality is good enough, I guess.

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They make good sandwiches.

I'll be the last person on this earth to support "feminism"

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Originally posted by MasJ
I am to for equality for like pay and such, but you can't have TOTAL equality. As they say total equality would be no division or separation of sexes. This would lead to gay rights, which I am against....

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I absolutely agree with you MasJ about this -> "you can't have TOTAL equality"
I have many reasons to support it but don't have time to go over them in detail...

Sorry the post I am refering above is by Knowitman and not my MasJ
(for those who are picky)
OMG I am late...see ya guys...

I can't really fully explain my thoughts on this situation properly... but I don't like the current state of things. I'd like to think that everything is sort of transparent.... that you as a person determine your value, whether it be skills determining your salary or whatever. I'd prefer to think that there is no such thing as sexism or racism.... but it's there. I'd hate to think I've been given any advantage/disadvantage simply based on the color of my skin or my gender. Unfortunately, though I recognize it's there, there are those who misrepresent such worthy movements, and people like them can hinder any movements progress. I can't fully support something when it would be supporting the kind of people in the world I have the most disgust for. Which is terrible.... there are only a few, compared to the number that actually deserve. I do the only thing I can do, base my judgements of a person on the actual person, and it's a travesty that there are people who base their judgements simply off race or gender.

As for the radical types..... sorry. I have no compassion for you. Seek equality, not separation or dominance. Be reasonable, not radical.

The only thing that bothers me is when people say that the genders are the same except for physical differences, and that it's OMG SEXIST if you disagree.

Heh...I believe in equal rights for both men and women. But in all truthfullness men and women differ in more ways than just physically...

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But that's not what feminists seek to do...I don't prescribe to the view that simply because vocabulary has always been gendered and biased that we like idiots now start referring to everything as a "she" and not a "he". One of my friends, whose a radical-feminist says that we should refer to everything as female because words like "woman", "she", "female" all include the names for their male counterparts, like the man in woman, etc. Which I think is inane...but anyway, we all live in a deep rooted patriarchial setup that we need to question. And we don't have to be female to do that.

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Ugh, I hate that kind of bullshit. It only makes sense for languages to not give gender to things which don't have it...Saying his/her he/she get's pretty damn old after awhile....

fem�i�nism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fm-nzm)
n.
1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.

Last I heard, feminists were all man-haters... At least that's what I've seen on TV all my life... Well, you learn something new everyday, don'tcha...?

Of course, I do believe in equal rights and responsabilities for men and women, so if any of those exceeds this basic premise, I'm thoroughly against it, wether it be the archetypical "Make me a sandwich, bitch!" or the cordial "All men are pigs!"...

Keep the change...

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Originally Posted by KONAMI Man

fem�i�nism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fm-nzm)
n.
1. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
2. The movement organized around this belief.

Last I heard, feminists were all man-haters... At least that's what I've seen on TV all my life... Well, you learn something new everyday, don'tcha...?

Of course, I do believe in equal rights and responsabilities for men and women, so if any of those exceeds this basic premise, I'm thoroughly against it, wether it be the archetypical "Make me a sandwich, bitch!" or the cordial "All men are pigs!"...

Keep the change...

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I'm with this man. While I'm all for equality and unity and all that gay shit, feminists need to stop hating the pen0r. I have one, and because of that, I am immediately a pig or a chauvin... I can't spell it. That needs to stop. But once you hit equality, you lose any right you have ever had. Such as excuses due to pregnancy. Nope. You are now equal to MEN.


*Edit: I missed an "H"

Hah if feminism was really about equal opertunities and rights etc its wouldnt be fucking called 'feminism' now would it?

Should be renamed 'equalism' and that might clear up some confused bitches on the matter.

edit: and come to think of it I never heard of feminism arguing to have less men or more women on the batlefields shooting people and being shot.
I say you take your good with your bad, and if your not prepared to then shut the fuck up.

I see someone remembered me. lol Hey I can prove that feminism hurt society more which I gave enough points if people look at my history.

Also here is a feminist�s worst nightmare which this woman seems to have the abilities of feminists but goes against them with just cause http://www.eagleforum.org/
And her book that explains it http://www.eagleforum.org/order/book....html#feminist
http://www.eagleforum.org/order/gif/feminist-book2.gif

The Weekly Standard: "Phyllis Schlafly confronts the left-wing assaults on women and families with arguments built from logic, statistics, and wit."
Logic and statistics by people that know the issue:o People are told that smoking is bad but people still do it. People are told stealing and lieing is bad but poeple still do it. Lets not say that something bad is good becasue as we see many belieive it. :(

Hey the information is out their but I guess people do not want to hear it since they do not want to hear the truth.

here is another one for watcher. ;)
http://cf.townhall.com/linkurl.cfm?h...mily/wm570.cfm
New study shows adolescents who take a virginity pledge have better life outcomes. :o

No one can dispute well the facts I put up but many do not want to listen and will believe what they want which it is sad.

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Originally Posted by jace

I see someone remembered me. lol Hey I can prove that feminism hurt society more which I gave enough points if people look at my history.

Also here is a feminist�s worst nightmare which this woman seems to have the abilities of feminists but goes against them with just cause http://www.eagleforum.org/
And her book that explains it http://www.eagleforum.org/order/book....html#feminist
http://www.eagleforum.org/order/gif/feminist-book2.gif

The Weekly Standard: "Phyllis Schlafly confronts the left-wing assaults on women and families with arguments built from logic, statistics, and wit."
Logic and statistics by people that know the issue:o People are told that smoking is bad but people still do it. People are told stealing and lieing is bad but poeple still do it. Lets not say that something bad is good becasue as we see many belieive it. :(

Hey the information is out their but I guess people do not want to hear it since they do not want to hear the truth.

here is another one for watcher. ;)
http://cf.townhall.com/linkurl.cfm?h...mily/wm570.cfm
New study shows adolescents who take a virginity pledge have better life outcomes. :o

No one can dispute well the facts I put up but many do not want to listen and will believe what they want which it is sad.

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Hahhahaha. You're great.

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edit: and come to think of it I never heard of feminism arguing to have less men or more women on the batlefields shooting people and being shot.
I say you take your good with your bad, and if your not prepared to then shut the fuck up.

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Amen to that! In fact, the two bills being reviewed by congress right now about reinstating the draft INCLUDE women as future draftees! It's about time!

Seriously, I think its time women get to be 11B (infantry). Especially the one's that always bitch and moan about not getting equal treatment. I'm all for equal treatment, if you take the bad with the good.

I don't know about entering women into the draft.... there are serious complications with that. While I would like equal treatment, it is clear in general that there are differences between the sexes. Not only do I think that on average a man would make a better infantrymen than a woman, I would also think it's easier for men to be desensitised to the acts they are needed to perform in war. I'm not saying that women can't do it... but in a draft, you aren't exactly picking the most willing of the bunch. The differences in the sexes shouldn't be used for exploitation one way or the other, but they should noted and duly compensated for when the situation merits it.

i totally agree with smith.

unfortunately for me,the only feminists i have seen have been the radical ones.well some what radical.

"i'll never marry...all men are jerks."
"so you'll marry a woman?"
"i dunno....is that allowed in india?"