Sound quality of Regen.
Hello there :3
Regen is known as the most accurate Genesis emulator in the world. However, the sound sampling rate options are limited to 44100Hz and 48000Hz. Why on the bloody Earth Regen doesn't support 22050Hz sample rate of Genesis' PCM sound? Or am I doing something wrong and is there way to change the sample rate to proper one in Regen?
Thank you :3
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22050 is half of 44100.
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22,050 Hz - One half the sampling rate of audio CDs; used for lower-quality PCM and MPEG audio.
44,100 Hz - Audio CD.
48,000 Hz - The standard audio sampling rate used by professional digital video equipment.
Last edited by deadlegion; 14th-August-2014 at 09:46.
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Yes, but to be the most accurate, emulator needs to support the closest possible sample rate to original hardware, no?
Your post doesn't really answer anything, to be honest. I know about these standards and what I'm saying is that Genesis' sample rate was approximately 22050Hz, so I would like to have that sample rate on a damn accurate emulator. Not to mention that audio on Genesis was made for that sample rate and, in my opinion, soundss better in 22050Hz compared to 44100 and higher sample rates. It's a common sense and even emulators like Kega Fusion and Gens support a genuine sample rate of Genesis.
Last edited by Nightquaker; 14th-August-2014 at 09:51.
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The emu has higher quality audio capability than original hardware. I can't see how it could be worse than a real console but I guess it would depend on the accuracy of the emu itself.Originally Posted by Nightquaker
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It is worse for its accuracy. If the emulator has every component of original hardware emulated to the possible accurate limit, including proper audio sample rate, at least as an option, is essential. And yes, tracks that are made for 22050 PCM audio don't sound the same (which is a problem by itself) and, in my opinion, sound worse on higher sample rates.
I just don't know how AamirM missed out on such a simple thing.
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Sounds to me like it isn't an accurate emu then, but many emus offer improvements over original hardware so by your definition these emus would be inaccurate.
If you're that crazy about accuracy why not use real hardware + Mega EverDrive?
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Yes, improvements on original hardware do harm accuracy of emulator. And I doubt I'm the only one who thinks that.
There are two types of emulators: light and flexible emulators (like Gens or Kega Fusion) that use lots of hacks to decrease system requirements, increase compatibility (which still isn't as good as on accurate emus) and do all sorts of things, and there are accurate emus (like Regen) - ones that stay true to every, and I mean every component of emulated hardware, whatever technical specifications of this hardware are. It's just how accurate emulation works, and it delivers the best possible results as forementioned 'improvements' to original hardware, which more often than not are hacks, can cause bad results such as sound and graphics bugs, glitches and crashes. And that's why accurate emulation is here, to prevent such things and deliver the closest possible experience to original hardware.
Yes, I am crazy about emu accuracy and, of course, nothing can beat the original hardware. But this is getting a little bit off-topic at this point, honestly. The forum thread was about an accurate emu, not about the obvious superiority of original hardware to every emu ever in terms of accuracy.
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Whatever, I'm not the one posting walls of text.
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It's not just a wall of text, it's a decent point on the definition of an accurate emulation and how it can be achieved, if you actually were paying any bloody attention to it.
Anyway, at this point I'm not certain if I could get any reasonable responce regarding the sound sample rate in Regen, so I'll just fiddle with it some more and see if I can get any results.
Last edited by Nightquaker; 14th-August-2014 at 13:09.
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Hmm, the sound rate shouldn't be causing problems. 44Khz is exactly double so it should be capable of reproducing 22Khz tracks accurately - it can't add more information than is already there and it makes more sense to go for the higher rate since it allows for higher quality sound where applicable.
I’d play around with the low pass filter to get rid of some of the highs. That's a huge part of the Genesis sound, more so than the sample rate and will get you 90% of the way there.
Last edited by Cosmic; 14th-August-2014 at 14:43.
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Calm down and stop being so dramatic. Your thread hasn't even existed for a day yet and you're all "nobody cares" about it
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well, can't say i've seen someone complaining about a emulator being higher quality than the original console before. anyway, have you tried kega fusion? it supports 44100Hz and 22050Hz in the audio settings.
not to go and start any potential trouble but after taking a quick look around with google, i'm not sure how accurate it really is since i've been using kega fusion for years and while fusion might lack a few features seen in other emulators (i think it was video/sound related stuff in Gens) its the most accurate genesis emulator i've ever seen and it plays almost all genesis/32/sega cd roms/isos perfectly.
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Another thing you could try but don't know if it'll work is that you can open up the regen.ini located in the main regen folder scroll down to sound and it's the first option rate=44100 and just change it to whatever you want. Doesn't look like there's any other line to change in it. Worth a shot.
Also not a good idea to get pissy with Super Moderators and retired Admins
Sorry, I was a little bit busy lately and haven't visited the thread.
It wasn't about nobody caring, but I just didn't expect to get any replies because literally almost noone knows about Regen and most people use Kega Fusion. So it would be only natural to not find any solution on forums. Didn't mean anything negative with last response.Calm down and stop being so dramatic. Your thread hasn't even existed for a day yet and you're all "nobody cares" about it
Kega Fusion is probably the second most accurate emulator after Regen, and is a very good one at that. I have used Kega Fusion starting with its early versions and it came a long way since. However, I noticed some very noticeable issues. For example: in Jungle Book, when you jump on enemies, they're supposed to make an explosion sound of sorts, but in Kega it just bugs out and makes some random buzzing noise. So Kega is not perfect just yet.
Also, 22050Hz sound quality not only sounds authentic, but also million times better as music in Genesis games was specifically composed for the Genesis PCM sound chip, including its audio sample rate.
I have tried the solution with editing .ini file, but Regen just doesn't accept 22050Hz sample rate and switches it back to default 44100Hz autmatically, even with .ini file being in read-only status.Another thing you could try but don't know if it'll work is that you can open up the regen.ini located in the main regen folder scroll down to sound and it's the first option rate=44100 and just change it to whatever you want. Doesn't look like there's any other line to change in it. Worth a shot.
Also not a good idea to get pissy with Super Moderators and retired Admins
I'll try to contact developer of Regen (AamirM) regarding the issue, as it seems to be only viable solution at this point.
Again, sorry for almost necroing the thread and thanks for the replies.
Last edited by Nightquaker; 23rd-August-2014 at 18:23.
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I know I said it further up the page, but seriously, use the low pass filter. There are extra components in the Genesis sound circuit that cause the output to be very heavily filtered, taming the high end and giving it that distinctive sound. Regen is simply emulating the YM2612 straight up - if you tapped the output straight from the chip and bypassed those components that's exactly what it would sound like. It doesn't sound right because you wouldn't normally hear those highs, hence the low pass filter is included in Regen as an option if you wish to mimic the additional circuitry. I promise you the higher sample rate isn't making anywhere near as much difference as you think it is.
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