Help me complete my JRPG list!

**gezegond** · 26th-June-2012, 21:19

Originally Posted by yanazake

You're missing Namco X capcom [ps2, with english patch. looks buggy, but seems fully translated]

Thanks, Added.

Originally Posted by yanazake

God Eater Burst [PSP, english available, GE2 planned.]

I'm not sure about this one actually, both God Eater and Monster Hunter are games that lean on the Action Adventure genre IMO. I need further proof of them being JRPG. I have Monster Hunter in the main list because it's a pretty big franchise right now in japan, and I've put God Eater Burst in the "not sure" list for now, but in the final list I'll either remove them both or let them both stay.

Originally Posted by yanazake

and PATAPON!!! HOW THE HECK YOU FORGOT PATAPOOOON!!

Patapon is JRPG? I thought it was a rhythm game, can anyone else confirm this?

Originally Posted by Elin

You'd probably better take Sonic Chronicles off the list, then. It was developed independently by Bioware under license from Sega, and wasn't even released in Japan until about a year after the Western versions.

Oh you're right, how could I forget BioWare???

Although, I did mention some stuff there as well:

Originally Posted by gezegond

As for Korean, Chinese, and Western RPGs that mimic the JRPG artistically and technically, I'm willing to add a few of them (A few meaning: they combined take up 10% of the list)

So for now I put it in the not sure list, thank you.

**yanazake** · 27th-June-2012, 13:56

Confirmation for both God Eater Burst and Patapon series.

Both have HP, attack, defense, "elemental" defense stats... While Patapon is more of a mix between rhythm and ACTION-STRATEGY [you need to know how and when to attack, defend, avoid, AND BUILD YOUR ARMY BEFORE EACH STAGE! If that's not strategy enough, I don't know what is

]...
Well, GEB is more of a monster hunter similar. The difference is that the moves in there are way more stylistic for damn huge weapons, pretty much anime-like. There's more about stats to read about in that game than any Kingdom Hearts ever had. That and the bullet creation - it's not just spam shooting and recharge, a well done bullet can cause not only damage, but the right desired effect on an enemy, like breaking parts, making it trip or other things. It's more advanced than the bullet creation in Monster Hunter in a way.

I'm not making any of said games more or less interesting, I like 'em all and finished most, but I feel like it's unfair to leave these out of the list. XD

Anyway, i can understand GEB still being left on the not sure list for now, but if you still want confirmation for Patapon, here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fw6ht9rZhY Shows the unit arrangment before a boss battle. There's unit type, their respective equipments and "platoon order" [if you put the strong hitting ones first or the long-range ones last, that sort of thing]

**dcmack1** · 27th-June-2012, 18:56

a jrpg i came across not too long ago that wasnt too bad infinite undiscovery weird name but pretty decent

**Ragnar** · 27th-June-2012, 20:53

Oh god, alphabetize... Here:

Originally Posted by gezegond

JRPG franchises:

Spoiler warning:

Single (and Dual) Games:

Spoiler warning:

Originally Posted by gezegond

Landstalker (Landstalker: The Treasures of King Nole, Lady Stalker: Challenge from the Past, Time Stalkers, Dark Savior, Alundra, Alundra 2: A New Legend Begins)

With logic like that you count Final Fantasy Tactics as an Ogre Battle series entry, right? Because I do

**gezegond** · 27th-June-2012, 21:46

Originally Posted by yanazake

Patapon is more of a mix between rhythm and ACTION-STRATEGY [you need to know how and when to attack, defend, avoid, AND BUILD YOUR ARMY BEFORE EACH STAGE! If that's not strategy enough, I don't know what is

]...

I agree on the strategy part, but not on the RPG part. It has to be an RPG, if it's an RPG, it can have strategy elements as well.

1-Does the game follow a linear path or a straight one? (how much exploration is involved?)
2-Are there any economical system involved? (buying potions etc.)
3-Are there any side quests or is it just one story?
4-Is the plot deep enough to be considered a JRPG?

Originally Posted by dcmack1

a jrpg i came across not too long ago that wasnt too bad infinite undiscovery weird name but pretty decent

Hey I've played that one, don't know why I forgot to add it! Thanks.

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Oh god, alphabetize... Here:

Actually there is some logic behind the sorting there, but one only I could understand.

As an example, the new ones are added to the bottom of the list. Thanks for reminding me anyway.
(although I have always found alphabetical orders meaningless

)

Originally Posted by Ragnar

With logic like that you count Final Fantasy Tactics as an Ogre Battle series entry, right? Because I do

I got that from Wikipedia. Haven't played any of those games myself. Maybe I shouldn't have included Dark Savior and Alundra

**yanazake** · 28th-June-2012, 02:49

Originally Posted by gezegond

I agree on the strategy part, but not on the RPG part. It has to be an RPG, if it's an RPG, it can have strategy elements as well.

1-Does the game follow a linear path or a straight one? (how much exploration is involved?)
2-Are there any economical system involved? (buying potions etc.)
3-Are there any side quests or is it just one story?
4-Is the plot deep enough to be considered a JRPG?

1: Well, not sure about the difference, but about exploration, if you get back to older areas, sometimes under special conditions, new things may happen.
2: The KA-CHING! [seriously, this is the best name for money I ever saw in a game] You use it to make new units and make some items in the newer versions if I remember well. You had to gather items most of the time and use them with the money.
3: there are secret bosses, mostly related to the first part.
4: The plot as far as I remember is that they're searching for "World's end". in the meanwhile, all sort of stuff happens. A rival tribe tries to stop them, their shaman is kidnaped, they learn how to draw powers from old spirits [a sort of special attack], and when they think they reached the end of their quest, ... ok this is a spoiler, but links the first game to the second. The story goes on, they find an ancient hero to help them go on, a new rival tribe appears... The story IS simple, I admit, but it's not lacking. There are scenes between set stages.

Well, with that said, I just saw my files and saw "cross edge" for ps3. Considering it's slightly similar to Namco X capcom, there are also two games that could be added that are even more similar. One is Project X Zone for 3DS, and the other is a game for DS between capcom's characters and the ones from some "random" japanese group. If you look for "Xiaomu", there should be the game she appears on somewhere on the internet.

**Rok124** · 29th-June-2012, 02:55

Possibly

Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu (Secret of Mana II)

I cant tell if you have either of these on your list or not

Originally Posted by gezegond

I agree on the strategy part, but not on the RPG part. It has to be an RPG, if it's an RPG, it can have strategy elements as well.

1-Does the game follow a linear path or a straight one? (how much exploration is involved?)

Linear or straight? whats the difference?

**gezegond** · 29th-June-2012, 07:21

Originally Posted by rok124

Linear or straight? whats the difference?

I'm officially retarded, but you know what i meant. linear or non-linear.

**Rok124** · 29th-June-2012, 14:41

Originally Posted by gezegond

I'm officially retarded, but you know what i meant. linear or non-linear.

lol
so does an RPG have to be more non linear to be a true JRPG?

**yanazake** · 29th-June-2012, 20:28

Originally Posted by rok124

lol
so does an RPG have to be more non linear to be a true JRPG?

AU CONTRAIRE!!

As far as I can remember, every JRPG HAS to tell a story, but you can explore here and there. sometimes the variety of places is huge, sometimes, you may even get lost, but the story will end up appearing sooner or later.

Non linear is more like those sandbox games, IMO. they have their story, but you can do everything else in the game. I don't remember jrpgs being like that...

**SpuzzHardwick** · 30th-June-2012, 07:03

You should alphabetize those lists. Just sayin'.

**Ragnar** · 30th-June-2012, 07:13

Originally Posted by gezegond

I got that from Wikipedia. Haven't played any of those games myself. Maybe I shouldn't have included Dark Savior and Alundra

Well Landstalker and Ladystalker are related.
TimeStalkers (aka Climax Landers) is a mashup type game, like Namco X Capcom or the like, featuring various characters from older Climax games. I suppose they stuck the word stalker in its title over here because nobody here really heard of Climax, but Landstalker was fairly obscure too...
Dark Savior is a one off game. Screenshots may look like previous ___stalker games, but it plays entirely differently and isn't related in any plotwise way.
Alundra was not a Climax game, it was made by Matrix, using old Landstalker staffers (you know, like Tactics Ogre>Final Fantasy Tactics). So it looks and plays like, but isn't actually related. 2 doesn't even look and play like...

**Tsukasa** · 30th-June-2012, 23:39

I prefer the list in alphabetical order... anyway, i remembered a few games:

Baroque
Drakengard & Drakengard 2
Makai Kingdom
Mega Man X: Command Mission
Musashi: Samurai Legend

**gezegond** · 1st-July-2012, 14:15

Okay, exams are done, time for JRPG listing! I added some JRPG from the TVTropes page and a lot more is coming. Getting these sorted out later by their "importance" would be a real pain.

First off, I'd like to thank all of you who have posted in this thread. I was initially afraid that this thread would simply be ignored, but you guys have been a great help, so THANKS!

Originally Posted by yanazake

1: Well, not sure about the difference, but about exploration, if you get back to older areas, sometimes under special conditions, new things may happen.
2: The KA-CHING! [seriously, this is the best name for money I ever saw in a game] You use it to make new units and make some items in the newer versions if I remember well. You had to gather items most of the time and use them with the money.
3: there are secret bosses, mostly related to the first part.
4: The plot as far as I remember is that they're searching for "World's end". in the meanwhile, all sort of stuff happens. A rival tribe tries to stop them, their shaman is kidnaped, they learn how to draw powers from old spirits [a sort of special attack], and when they think they reached the end of their quest, ... ok this is a spoiler, but links the first game to the second. The story goes on, they find an ancient hero to help them go on, a new rival tribe appears... The story IS simple, I admit, but it's not lacking. There are scenes between set stages.

Hmm, you sure have got me interested in this game. But still, the main reason I can't add this to the list is that you're the only person who says this is an RPG. Here:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Rhythm game, god game

Originally Posted by MobyGames

Action, Strategy, Side-Scrolling, Rhythm / Music

Originally Posted by Giant Bomb

Action, Strategy, Music/Rhythm

Originally Posted by GameFAQs

Action » Platformer » 2D

None of these reference websites lists this game as an RPG. I need other people to agree on this, since I haven't played the game myself. I would love to hear other people's opinions on this here, but since no one has had any comments on this so far, I created a topic at gamefaqs. I hope some people reply there so I can decide on this.

Originally Posted by yanazake

I just saw my files and saw "cross edge" for ps3

Thanks, Added.

Originally Posted by yanazake

One is Project X Zone for 3DS

I can't add that since it's not released yet, and I couldn't find any news on an English version being planned.

Originally Posted by yanazake

a game for DS between capcom's characters and the ones from some "random" japanese group. If you look for "Xiaomu", there should be the game she appears on somewhere on the internet.

The only game I found that had "Xiaomu" as a character was "Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier EXCEED" (And another SRW game) which are already included as a franchise.

Originally Posted by rok124

Possibly

Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu (Secret of Mana II)

I cant tell if you have either of these on your list or not

They are. It's the 14th franchise:

Originally Posted by gezegond

Mana (Seiken Densetsu)

You can use Ctrl+F to search in the text.

Originally Posted by rok124

lol
so does an RPG have to be more non linear to be a true JRPG?

Originally Posted by yanazake

AU CONTRAIRE!!

As far as I can remember, every JRPG HAS to tell a story, but you can explore here and there. sometimes the variety of places is huge, sometimes, you may even get lost, but the story will end up appearing sooner or later.

Non linear is more like those sandbox games, IMO. they have their story, but you can do everything else in the game. I don't remember jrpgs being like that...

Okay first off, I don't like to force games into genres. Each game is unique, and when we put them into a genre, we are ignoring their unique features, instead putting emphasis on what they have in common with other games. This is an insult to the people who tried their best to make something new and unique.

But that doesn't mean genres are entirely useless. You can use a genre as a method to get a general idea about the game's gameplay mechanics. While that doesn't say much about the game, it's usually good for times when you're trying to decide on a new game to play.

And that's what this is all about. I'm trying to make a list to help people who are interested in JRPGs to find a new game to play. I've made the rules for the list for this purpose. I'm not trying to define the JRPG, I'm just trying to put together a simple list people can use to find new games.

I'm trying to make a list that would benefit many people. One might have a rather narrow definition of JRPG, dismissing all the SRPGs and ARPGs as not true RPGS, while another might have such a wide definition that would cover all the games that feature some form of RPG elements in their gameplay. I'm trying to create a balance here. That's why I want more than just one person to agree on a game being JRPG.

Now, as for your question about non-linearity, many older JRPG games had some form of overworld that you would freely explore (and grind in). Basically, the more freedom of choice you have, the more "Role Playing" it is. Exploring, side quests, deciding on the outcome (multiple endings) etc. are factors that I use to gauge a game's level of freedom of choice.

With that said, there are many JRPGs that are absolutely linear (FFXIII), a somewhat new trend, which people are not happy with. In the end, if many people agree on a game being RPG, I assume it's an RPG.

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Well Landstalker and Ladystalker are related.
TimeStalkers (aka Climax Landers) is a mashup type game, like Namco X Capcom or the like, featuring various characters from older Climax games. I suppose they stuck the word stalker in its title over here because nobody here really heard of Climax, but Landstalker was fairly obscure too...
Dark Savior is a one off game. Screenshots may look like previous ___stalker games, but it plays entirely differently and isn't related in any plotwise way.
Alundra was not a Climax game, it was made by Matrix, using old Landstalker staffers (you know, like Tactics Ogre>Final Fantasy Tactics). So it looks and plays like, but isn't actually related. 2 doesn't even look and play like...

Thanks for the insight. I've separated the games like this:

Originally Posted by gezegond

Landstalker + Ladystalker (SMD, SNES)
TimeStalkers (aka Climax Landers) (DC)
Alundra (+ 2) (PSX)

Does this look right? I excluded Dark Savior because Wikipedia says it's not an RPG.

Originally Posted by SpuzzHardwick

You should alphabetize those lists. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Tsukasa

I prefer the list in alphabetical order

What's with you people and the alphabets??? Anyways, done!

Originally Posted by Tsukasa

anyway, i remembered a few games:

Baroque
Drakengard & Drakengard 2
Mega Man X: Command Mission
Musashi: Samurai Legend

Thanks, Added.

Originally Posted by Tsukasa

Makai Kingdom

I currently believe this one to be part of the Disgaea series, an spin-off. Do you believe otherwise?
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Long post is long!

And one more time, THANKS for all the replies.

**Tsukasa** · 2nd-July-2012, 00:31

@gezegond

Yeah, Makai is a spin-off, but put it on the list anyway

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