Will we get out of Iraq?

[CCCP128]

I don't think that we will get out any time soon. After, it is the Vietraq war (imagine soldier with M-16 over head singing the marching song). I do believe that Bush should have been impeached for what he did. Forget Clinton's perjury and Nixon's watergate, manipulating intelligence to invade a country leading to the death of many American soldiers is the best reason for impeachment that I can think of.

[Anonymous]

Lol Joking

[Mistral]

Just a question, are you from America? Are you an American living somewhere else? Have you ever even been to America?

If not, shut up. Foreigners having opinions on American foreign policy is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Almost as stupid as someone saying that you can't have an opinion on something that you aren't directly involved in, would you say? And only slightly less stupid than people who insist on doing things like "Commander in Chimp" or "Vietraq" or other buzzwords that signify that the person seems to view taking a popular opinion as important. Or cry "impeachment" without any understanding of the requirements of such a thing.

My opinion on the present Iraq insurgency is that the Coalition of the Willing, America included, will withdraw eventually, possibly before the decade is out. My opinion on the stability of Iraq is...not so optimistic. I'm worried that the present democracy will not survive the kind of Weimar polarization that has occurred in Iraq if the peacekeeping forces are withdrawn. Half of me hopes otherwise, but really, it's a bit up for grabs.

Actually, "Commander in Chimp" was kinda clever...

[Elmdor Rizer]

Just a question, are you from America? Are you an American living somewhere else? Have you ever even been to America?

If not, shut up. Foreigners having opinions on American foreign policy is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Yeah, imagine someone in Iraq having an opinion on this. Simply ridiculous.

So, what does foreign mean again?

[Mistral]

So, what does foreign mean again?

Anyone we don't really like.

[Evans]

Just a question, are you from America? Are you an American living somewhere else? Have you ever even been to America?

If not, shut up. Foreigners having opinions on American foreign policy is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

Wait, what? You have an issue with foreigners having an opinion on another country's foreign policies?

Hilarious.

[J]

Prejudice, perhaps? If we are going into into that topic.. Americans were European inmigrants who stole the land from the natives.

The rest of my post goes directed to no one in specific. Just expressing my opinion.

Good thing I didn't enlist... I would be fighting in this stupid war if I had. WMD my ass.

I wonder what excuse will be used when they attack Venezuela for their oil... another Maine?

And I am from Puerto Rico, which is technically part of the US and yes, that makes me a US citizen, and soldiers from my country have also died in this meaningless war, even people I held dear so don't give me shit that this war is not for the fucking all important oil.

Let me get this clear and straight: neither communist or socialist. I'm not blindfolded by a flag, doing capitalist America's wishes under the excuse of patriotism and "God bless America".

The same America that now kicks immigrants because it doesn't like hispanics and latinos.

On topic: This lame excuse of a "war" against a blind religious nation who kills the "infidels" for not following their beliefs (as if they were any better) and considers them invaders will not end until Bush is out of the White House.

I wonder how many of you have family and friends out there and if you do, aren't praying for their safe return when in the first place they should be home...

This was my rant. You don't like it? You are not entitled to like it. Got you angry? So fuck you.

This was posted the 4th of July, Independence day. If you get sarcasm.

[Anonymous]

This America kicks out immigrants who come in illegally and don't take the steps the law requires for them to become legal citizens. So yes, fuck those immigrants. The ones that do it legally, good for them.

[Jetsetlemming]

Nope. We lost the keys. Iraq's like a fucking hedge maze, man.

[Kazuya Mishima]

If they do get out they will just move somewhere else e.g. Syria, Libnan ect... they are already in Sudan and have been trying really really hard to get in by using those "Darfur excuses".

[CCCP128]

Yes, I do live in the US and I never have left the country. Last time I checked, other countries have the right to criticize us when we fuck up like when we ALTER INTELLIGENCE TO INVADE A COUNTRY AND SEND THEM WITHIN AN INCH OF CIVIL WAR. The downing street memo proves without a doubt that President Bush was planning to invade Iraq before 9/11 and even intended to provoke Saddam. To top it off, Richard Clarke, our former head of counter-terrorism said on an NBC news interview that after 9/11, President Bush came to him and clearly gave him the impression that Bush wanted him to come back and say that there had been an Iraqi hand behind 9/11 and also said that Paul Wolfowitz said in a conversation about bombing the al qaeda infrastructure in Afghanistan " there are no good targets in Afghanistan, let's bomb Iraq" and Richard Clarke replied with "but Iraq had nothing to do with this" and in the interview he said that it didn't really seem to matter to Wolfowitz and that it was clear that the only reason that they went after Afghanistan was because it was clear that Al Qaeda attacked us and that they were based in Afghanistan and that the american people wouldn't have stood by if we had done nothing about Afghanistan.

[Ahkei]

Meh. Doesn't really concern me. I try not to have too much of on opinion on these sorts of matters. Though John Howard should stop being Bush's bitch.

[Ktiger41]

And I am from Puerto Rico, which is technically part of the US and yes, that makes me a US citizen, and soldiers from my country have also died in this meaningless war, even people I held dear so don't give me shit that this war is not for the fucking all important oil.

On topic:I wonder how many of you have family and friends out there and if you do, aren't praying for their safe return when in the first place they should be home...

This was my rant. You don't like it? You are not entitled to like it. Got you angry? So fuck you.

I agree with your rant 100%
*searches forums to lift an image posted by sprung*


PREACH IT BROTHER.

I agree. I got a lot of people I grew up with, tons of close friends and some family over there. You can get on your knees and bank all the prayer points you want too, but truth is I may never see some of them again. That doesn't mean I don't bank those prayer points.

I am like you i coulda enlisted, but when it came down to brass tax I didn't for many reasons. A few reasons I didn't go you patriots ask?

1.)As I said I got to many peoples over there.

2.) Rich man's war, poor mans fight.

3.) My woman was deeply against it. She didn't want to lose me to a bunch of sandbox kids toting AK-47's before they could walk and talk. Every time we talked about it she'd cry and it hurts me deeply to see her that way. She's got just as many peoples over there as I do, from my pool of friends and hers.

Call it pussying out or whatever you fucking like. I don't care, but I'll be here to go to your funeral or your friends just post the time and place. The body count is averaging 3 a day, so it shouldn't be too long a wait.

[Dr Mario]

Though John Howard should stop being Bush's bitch.

Howard doesn't rate that highly. He was Blair's bitch (and now he's Brown's bitch), making him the bitches bitch. And thus a real bitch.

Overdone jokes aside, the Iraq war is an interesting situation. It's certainly not a war in the usual sense, but I think that drawing too many parallels to Vietnam isn't necessarily a good idea. The situation's far from identical (especially with regard to local government power and allegiance in the occupied country), and wrongly invoking the Vietnam comparision serves only to rile people up and make the speaker look foolish.

As far as US/coalition presence goes, they seem to be keeping it from surging into an open civil war and not really much more. The various insurgent groups can't act as an organised military while staying within the US's reach, but outside the green zone little seems to be stopping their other tactics. Whether that's enough for the coalition to justify their continued presence though isn't something I can really decide on, especially given the likely results of any free elections in Iraq right now.

Of course, if the coalition really wanted to restore order, a harsh dictator might well be the quickest (and cynically, perhaps only) way to do so. US desires don't seem to line up very well with Iraqi desires, and the US is the one with all the leverage. Not that I'm necessarily supporting such measures, just musing out loud.

[Ktiger41]

As far as US/coalition presence goes, they seem to be keeping it from surging into an open civil war and not really much more. The various insurgent groups can't act as an organised military while staying within the US's reach, but outside the green zone little seems to be stopping their other tactics. Whether that's enough for the coalition to justify their continued presence though isn't something I can really decide on, especially given the likely results of any free elections in Iraq right now.

Of course, if the coalition really wanted to restore order, a harsh dictator might well be the quickest (and cynically, perhaps only) way to do so. US desires don't seem to line up very well with Iraqi desires, and the US is the one with all the leverage. Not that I'm necessarily supporting such measures, just musing out loud.

I think when we leave (if we ever do) that they are gonna revolt against each other and civil war struggle for power anyway, regardless.

Conflicting interest is only b/c when we went in at the beginning of this "war" we stated to the press/public we would let them choose their own gov't, so how come we are shoving democracy down their throat like a test tube?