The future of P2P and the internet

[Nitramuse]

Originally posted by neogeomad
The RIAA bringing down p2p???? Hahahaha. Strong encryption will see an end to that EVEN if they do manage to somehow to track the gazillions of bytes running through the internet every SECOND.

And it's innocence until proven guilty. Consequence: they're gonna have to sue ever single one of the p2p users. The best they can hope for is so sue a few and make an example out of them. Sorry, but sueing a girl and making her apologize isn't gonna endear you to anyone soon.

They could change the law...but the civil rights activists are gonna go beserk before that happens.

Suppose then they get some sort of pre - emptive datatap law where they can go into someone's computer over the internet. Let's just stay with this for a minute even though it's kinda impossible for this to happen unless OS makers agree to leave in trapdoors...opps that's right forgot about Linux....

Anyways, what's to stop me taking copies of saved game files, concating them together and renaming them to "illegal1.mp3", "illegal2.mp3".

Have fun looking for that needle guys...

As for me personally, go ahead and sue me. I'm gonna take EGGO's idea to the extreme. wait until my day in court when I'm questioned as a defendant. The lawyer will accuse me of pirating songs and I'll dump my ENTIRE LEGIT. CD COLLECTION in front of the RIAA's GODDAMN FACE.

Then we'll see who's gonna be doing the suing. Did anyone say invasion of privacy and malicious prosecution? EAT THAT LOSERS.

I like your words man!

Oh, and Hipoccolos. Yes, they can implement a piece of software in a MP3. A tracking software. However, this is only possible of you buy a MP3 on a site. This is legal. until you put it in a Shared-folder. IF a user downloads it from you, then you are guilty as charged. but that is only when you buy it from a site, not a store.

[ClimbTheNRG]

Nothing the RIAA is doing is legal. Plus they're doing it for THEIR personal gain. None of the settlements are going to the artists being affected. Plus I as well have about 30 CDs I've bought as a result of P2P dling.

[GundamGuy]

Originally posted by Hipoccolos
One thing that's bugging me here is.... how the hell can they prove I have ANY pirated songs? I could easily delete every single one of them, or back them up on a CD-R and give them to a 3rd party without them ever knowing. Do they get some sort of track record that shows what you were downloading or some shit like that?


EDIT: Oh yeah by the way.... I find it really PATHETIC, LOW, and IMMATURE that they sued a 12 year old girl for downloading MP3's.

When they scan your shared files (they call them public files.. to avoid invasion of Pirvicy..) they put the collected data in to some sort of database.. along with the date of the "Scan".. or i would think they keep records of the accused persons files.

Originally posted by neogeomad

As for me personally, go ahead and sue me. I'm gonna take EGGO's idea to the extreme. wait until my day in court when I'm questioned as a defendant. The lawyer will accuse me of pirating songs and I'll dump my ENTIRE LEGIT. CD COLLECTION in front of the RIAA's GODDAMN FACE.

Then we'll see who's gonna be doing the suing. Did anyone say invasion of privacy and malicious prosecution? EAT THAT LOSERS.

Well thats not a bad idea.... how ever.. they have hashes that they check your file agains.. to see if its Legit or not...

Also wile you can make copys of stuff you own.. you have to make the copy your self.. you cant download it or its illegal and if you provide your copy for download then your breaking the copyright laws even if you own a ligit copy....

[EmuFreak]

Originally posted by ClimbTheNRG
Nothing the RIAA is doing is legal. Plus they're doing it for THEIR personal gain. None of the settlements are going to the artists being affected. Plus I as well have about 30 CDs I've bought as a result of P2P dling.

If what they are doing is not legal then why is the american goverment allowing this insanity to continue, I don't think the RIAA would be able to do such a thing with out proper premission, and if some how they are doing this without proper premission they may very well be in trouble down the road.

[Soeru]

You should check this out:
http://msn.com.com/2100-1104_2-50730...=7327&PS=66948
It explains what the RIAA does to track down people on p2p networks. The information comes from MSN though, so I dont know.

[Darth Frogger]

Ah, good old Canada. We can't be sued.

Whoever said they can only sue a few of them, they've already got over 1300 names from the ISPs, and they are adding more at a rate of about 75 a day.

[Drageuth]

Originally posted by neogeomad
Then we'll see who's gonna be doing the suing. Did anyone say invasion of privacy and malicious prosecution? EAT THAT LOSERS.

It's not an invasion of privacy if you open yourself up for investigation by being the user of MP3s and sharing them over programs, because these programs allow people to view anything you have. Since it is a willingness by yourself to allow this to happen, there is no invasion of privacy. Furthermore, your CD idea will not work because it doesn't matter if you have 1000 CDs, you're still downloading and sharing MP3s, which is illegal.

What you are saying can be used in this sort of extreme example: if a doctor kills someone, but then goes to work and saves ten peoples' life, he cannot be held responsible for the murder he has commited because, hey, he saves lives too. Right?

And Soeru, that seems about right. It's simple, it's effect, and it doesn't cost millions of dollars. All you need is one free program and an Internet connection. Someone on 56K could do it.

[Darksaber J]

Possible stupid question...
Isn't there a way to go on a P2P completely annonymous without being tracked back? I mean, sure the shared folder is open, but isn't it possible to block anyone from getting any personal info about you or anything else on your computer? I base this on the idea of KaZaA Lite. They can remove the "spyware"....can't it block someone by generating a generic user name and "account" such as [email protected] or something?

[EmuFreak]

Originally posted by Darksaber J
Possible stupid question...
Isn't there a way to go on a P2P completely annonymous without being tracked back? I mean, sure the shared folder is open, but isn't it possible to block anyone from getting any personal info about you or anything else on your computer? I base this on the idea of KaZaA Lite. They can remove the "spyware"....can't it block someone by generating a generic user name and "account" such as [email protected] or something?

Yeah supposedly earth station 5 does this, the whole thread is about weather it works or not, but I am guessing you missed that part of the thread all the way at the begining .

[GundamGuy]

Originally posted by Darksaber J
Possible stupid question...
Isn't there a way to go on a P2P completely annonymous without being tracked back? I mean, sure the shared folder is open, but isn't it possible to block anyone from getting any personal info about you or anything else on your computer? I base this on the idea of KaZaA Lite. They can remove the "spyware"....can't it block someone by generating a generic user name and "account" such as [email protected] or something?

Even if you have a generic user name and "account" they can still track you by your IP address.

However there still maybe an IofP issue here. Maby.. there use of the diffrent P2P programs could void the User Contract that you must agree to when you install the program... if they void the user aggreement then they would no longer be a Peer on the Network and therefor have no right to view your files..with out your approval.

[Darth Frogger]

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/s...511270,00.html
This isn't guaranteed to stop all RIAA people, but it will stop all the known ones, and every time you start it, it updates the list of known RIAA informers.

[chronos]

They have to do this to scared off people so they won't use p2p programs again. The odds of you getting caught is verys slim.

[GundamGuy]

Originally posted by chronos
They have to do this to scared off people so they won't use p2p programs again. The odds of you getting caught is verys slim.

That is truly what this whole RIAA thing is about.. they are just using aggressive scare tatics

[Darksaber J]

Originally posted by GundamGuy
Even if you have a generic user name and "account" they can still track you by your IP address.

However there still maybe an IofP issue here. Maby.. there use of the diffrent P2P programs could void the User Contract that you must agree to when you install the program... if they void the user aggreement then they would no longer be a Peer on the Network and therefor have no right to view your files..with out your approval.

KaZaA Lite K++ says it installs an IP blocker. Wouldn't that work?

[EmuFreak]

Originally posted by Darksaber J
KaZaA Lite K++ says it installs an IP blocker. Wouldn't that work?

No not a chance sadly because look at it this way it's really easy for anyone to get a new ip regardless if you on cable or not so just picture groups like the RIAA. It's a nice begining but no where near a real protecter against the RIAA.