question (forcing an item drop in Light Crusader)

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28th-March-2014, 14:54
vergil2012

question (forcing an item drop in Light Crusader)

Hello, Im desperately farming for an item that a enemy (to be exact, the soldiers or the ninjas on B5) in Light Crusader (Sega Genesis game) SHOULD drop (the Mitt Gloves). I know its super rare etc., but im trying it for a very long time and i still dont got it.

So my question: Is there a way to confirm it with the help of the rom (or some programs), that the item that im looking for, can be dropped from a certain enemy? I dont know if its a dumb question, so please bear with me. I dont know about those things, so thats why im asking if its possible, because i just dont want to waste my time anymore.

Thanks and sorry for my english.

Edit: Im playing the PAL version if that matters. And i just want to get the information if this item can be dropped, not manipulating my save file or hacking the item in my game.
29th-March-2014, 20:26
Zorlon

Have you looked at gamefaqs to verify this drop?

It been many years since I played that game myself so I'm not sure, but sounds like you have read something that tells you of this drop.

If you are wanting to force the drop to be in your contents an action replay code might be doable or possibly a GameGenie code, an Action Replay code would be preferable though
6th-April-2014, 15:49
vergil2012

Yes, i looked at gamefaqs. One of the FAQs mention that this Mitt Glove can be dropped from the ''Cowboys'' or ''Ninjas'' (no mention the ''Soldiers'') on B5. I asked the author and he said that some other users there told this to him (he never received the item himself). One user said that he received this from one of the ''Soldiers'' on B5. Since its a special glove, i dont believe that so many enemies would drop this (well it could be possible, but very unlikely to me).

So this is not a real proof to me. And i fought these enemies really long enough and no Mitt Gloves yet. Its frustrating if you dont know which enemy really drops this. So your waste your time and time and time...

Thanks and sorry for my english.

...
6th-April-2014, 16:58
Zorlon

I do believe the FAQ

I done a bit of digging not much though as you are correct there is very little info on the game but of the other faqs and guides seem to be missing certain items you can guess that these items never got found due to silly high rare drops so never found at the time

Dillo Armor (the faq creator ended up hacking into a save state)
and the Mitt are missing from most guides

The items are programmed into the game, if only by text though I can't verify how to get them or if they are dropped, I may be able to verfiy if they are indeed programmed fully into the game via the DEBUG mode but not sure what you can do in debug mode or not at the moment or I could just create an action replay cheat to give me the ridiculously hard to get items

here is a dump exert of some of the text found in the rom (note this has several languages for each item even in the USA rom dump, I checked the US and EU dump both have the same text)

Code:

Offset 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 00058170 00 4C 41 4E 47 .LANG 00058180 53 41 7C 42 45 4C 00 45 53 50 41 44 41 20 4C 41 SA|BEL.ESPADA LA 00058190 52 47 41 00 4C 4F 4E 47 55 45 20 45 50 45 45 00 RGA.LONGUE EPEE. 000581A0 4C 4F 4E 47 20 53 57 4F 52 44 00 44 45 47 45 4E LONG SWORD.DEGEN 000581B0 00 45 53 54 4F 51 55 45 00 52 41 50 49 45 52 45 .ESTOQUE.RAPIERE 000581C0 00 52 41 50 49 45 52 00 44 4F 4E 4E 45 52 53 41 .RAPIER.DONNERSA 000581D0 7C 42 45 4C 00 54 52 55 45 4E 4F 00 54 4F 4E 4E |BEL.TRUENO.TONN 000581E0 45 52 52 45 00 54 48 55 4E 44 45 52 00 42 4C 49 ERRE.THUNDER.BLI 000581F0 54 5A 53 41 7C 42 45 4C 00 52 41 59 4F 00 45 43 TZSA|BEL.RAYO.EC 00058200 4C 41 49 52 00 4C 49 47 48 54 4E 49 4E 47 00 53 LAIR.LIGHTNING.S 00058210 54 41 46 46 45 4C 53 41 7C 42 45 4C 00 52 45 4C TAFFELSA|BEL.REL 00058220 45 56 4F 00 52 45 4C 41 59 45 55 53 45 00 52 45 EVO.RELAYEUSE.RE 00058230 4C 41 59 45 52 00 41 53 54 52 41 4C 53 41 7C 42 LAYER.ASTRALSA|B 00058240 45 4C 00 43 52 49 53 54 41 4C 00 43 52 49 53 54 EL.CRISTAL.CRIST 00058250 41 4C 00 43 52 59 53 54 41 4C 00 47 4F 54 54 45 AL.CRYSTAL.GOTTE 00058260 53 53 41 7C 42 45 4C 00 53 41 43 52 41 00 45 50 SSA|BEL.SACRA.EP 00058270 45 45 20 53 41 43 52 45 45 00 48 4F 4C 59 20 53 EE SACREE.HOLY S 00058280 57 4F 52 44 00 4C 2E 20 43 52 55 53 41 44 45 52 WORD.L. CRUSADER 00058290 00 4C 2E 20 43 52 55 53 41 44 45 52 00 4C 2E 20 .L. CRUSADER.L. 000582A0 43 52 55 53 41 44 45 52 00 4C 2E 20 43 52 55 53 CRUSADER.L. CRUS 000582B0 41 44 45 52 00 48 41 52 54 50 41 4E 5A 45 52 00 ADER.HARTPANZER. 000582C0 4C 41 54 4F 4E 00 44 45 20 50 4C 41 51 55 45 00 LATON.DE PLAQUE. 000582D0 50 4C 41 54 45 00 4B 45 54 54 45 4E 50 41 4E 5A PLATE.KETTENPANZ 000582E0 45 52 00 43 4F 54 41 2D 4D 41 4C 4C 41 00 4D 41 ER.COTA-MALLA.MA 000582F0 49 4C 4C 45 53 00 43 48 41 49 4E 20 4D 41 49 4C ILLES.CHAIN MAIL 00058300 00 42 52 4F 4E 5A 45 50 41 4E 5A 45 52 00 42 52 .BRONZEPANZER.BR 00058310 4F 4E 43 45 00 44 45 20 42 52 4F 4E 5A 45 00 42 ONCE.DE BRONZE.B 00058320 52 4F 4E 5A 45 00 4D 45 54 41 4C 4C 50 41 4E 5A RONZE.METALLPANZ 00058330 45 52 00 44 52 41 47 4F 4E 00 44 45 20 44 52 41 ER.DRAGON.DE DRA 00058340 47 4F 4E 00 44 52 41 47 4F 4E 00 53 49 4C 42 45 GON.DRAGON.SILBE 00058350 52 50 41 4E 5A 45 52 00 48 49 45 52 52 4F 00 48 RPANZER.HIERRO.H 00058360 45 54 00 50 49 44 47 45 00 45 49 53 45 4E 50 41 ET.PIDGE.EISENPA 00058370 4E 5A 45 52 00 41 43 45 52 4F 00 48 41 49 4E 45 NZER.ACERO.HAINE 00058380 00 44 49 4C 4C 4F 00 53 54 41 48 4C 50 41 4E 5A .DILLO.STAHLPANZ 00058390 45 52 00 50 4C 41 54 41 00 48 41 49 4C 4C 45 00 ER.PLATA.HAILLE. 000583A0 47 45 44 44 4F 4E 00 47 4F 4C 44 50 41 4E 5A 45 GEDDON.GOLDPANZE 000583B0 52 00 4F 52 4F 00 4F 52 00 47 4F 4C 44 20 41 52 R.ORO.OR.GOLD AR 000583C0 4D 4F 55 52 00 48 41 4E 44 53 43 48 55 54 5A 00 MOUR.HANDSCHUTZ. 000583D0 47 55 41 4E 54 45 53 00 47 41 4E 54 53 00 47 4C GUANTES.GANTS.GL 000583E0 4F 56 45 53 00 4C 45 44 45 52 53 43 48 55 54 5A OVES.LEDERSCHUTZ 000583F0 00 47 55 41 4E 54 45 4C 45 54 45 53 00 47 41 4E .GUANTELETES.GAN 00058400 54 45 4C 45 54 53 00 47 41 55 4E 54 4C 45 54 53 TELETS.GAUNTLETS 00058410 00 50 41 4E 5A 45 52 53 43 48 55 54 5A 00 50 55 .PANZERSCHUTZ.PU 00058420 4E 7F 4F 20 50 4F 44 45 52 00 50 55 49 53 53 41 NO PODER.PUISSA 00058430 4E 43 45 00 50 4F 57 45 52 00 53 55 50 45 52 53 NCE.POWER.SUPERS 00058440 43 48 55 54 5A 00 50 55 4E 7F 4F 20 4B 41 49 53 CHUTZ.PUNO KAIS 00058450 45 52 00 44 45 53 54 52 55 43 54 49 4F 4E 00 4B ER.DESTRUCTION.K 00058460 41 49 53 45 52 00 50 4C 41 54 49 4E 53 43 48 55 AISER.PLATINSCHU 00058470 54 5A 00 47 55 41 4E 54 45 20 41 43 45 52 4F 00 TZ.GUANTE ACERO. 00058480 47 41 4E 54 53 20 44 45 20 46 45 52 00 49 52 4F GANTS DE FER.IRO 00058490 4E 20 47 4C 4F 56 45 53 00 50 4F 57 45 52 53 43 N GLOVES.POWERSC 000584A0 48 55 54 5A 00 47 55 41 4E 54 45 20 50 4F 44 45 HUTZ.GUANTE PODE 000584B0 52 00 47 41 4E 54 53 20 46 4F 52 54 53 00 50 4F R.GANTS FORTS.PO 000584C0 57 45 52 20 47 4C 4F 56 45 53 00 46 41 7C 55 53 WER GLOVES.FA|US 000584D0 54 4C 49 4E 47 00 47 55 41 4E 54 45 20 42 4F 4C TLING.GUANTE BOL 000584E0 41 00 52 45 43 45 56 45 55 52 00 4D 49 54 54 00 A.RECEVEUR.MITT. 000584F0 4B 52 41 4C 4C 45 00 52 41 53 43 41 45 53 50 41 KRALLE.RASCAESPA 00058500 4C 44 41 00 47 52 41 54 54 45 2D 44 4F 53 00 53 LDA.GRATTE-DOS.S 00058510 43 52 41 54 43 48 45 52 00 CRATCHER.

Asides from the faq I also found a drop list at http://www.freewebs.com/lightcrusade...ydroppings.htm
29th-June-2014, 12:46
vergil2012

Well, i dont believe this page that much, because he says that the maximum amount of money you can have is 99.999 which is not true. So there could be other mistakes too.

Im still trying and still no luck...
15th-September-2014, 09:20
Sparc1988

Confirmed, the drops do exist

Hello everyone. The item drops do exist, only the dillo armor is missing in my collection. The crystal monster in the spaceship area drops 1 armor, i think it was the geddon armor. The scratcher and mitt gloves are dropped by those ninjas. I also found out, that the items change every 3 secs. So this is how you do it. You go in a room with 4 enemies, damage them until they have low hp, savestate, kill everyone with jugdgement spell or meteor for the crystal, loadstate, wait 3 sefs, kill, and so on. It should take 5 minutes when you search for those equipments. Hope i could help you. Sorry for my bad english.

If you know something about the dillo armor plz post it.
28th-March-2015, 20:48
vergil2012

The dillo armor exists, at least in the european version. I got it from the ninjas on b5 and the mitt glove from the soldiers (also b5) and not from the ninjas. That doesnt mean that the ninjas cant drop this glove, i just wanted to say i got it from a different enemy.

I dont know if somebody cares, i thought i would share this information.

Sorry for my english.
30th-March-2015, 04:11
treos

theres also a debug mode that i THINK lets you add items to your inventory though i haven't messed with it much yet so i'm not sure how that particular function works. https://tcrf.net/Light_Crusader (nice site actually, a lot of interesting stuff like that turns up on all kinds of games) turns out theres a whole lot of debug/test related stuff left in this game.

(from the linked page) "Dillo: An unused piece of chest armor. With the code FFF135:FF00, you'll have all armors, including the Dillo. It's to the 3rd-to-last armor, so it's fairly useful." so yeah, that armor is definately still in the game.

hmmm...lemme load up my file and check around to see if i can get them to drop. wouldn't be the first time a game has an item with a stupidly low drop rate. oh, wait, according to the end of your uh...spam over at gamefaqs you finally got it to drop from the soldiers on floor 5. lol and it only took you since last year to finally get it to drop. :P

as for the dillo armor, its listed as unused so that code is likely the only way to get it short of hacking. (well technically using that code is hacking in a way but whatever. >.>)
30th-March-2015, 08:36
vergil2012

Sparc1988 really helped me. His trick with the save states (waiting 3 seconds and then save state again) etc.) worked really. At first i tried it without save states but i gave up quickly and then used his method and it worked (well i was hunting the mitt glove but instead the ninjas dropped the dillo armor). After that drop i tried another hour to get the mitt glove but no luck. Then i tried it to get this from the soldiers and after 10 minutes i had it FINALLY.

The weird thing is i tried to get the mitt gloves from the soldiers countless times before that but i had no luck.

Maybe it was a glitch or something like that, to be honest i cant proof. I can give a screenshot that my armor list is full but does it proof something? Probably not.

And remember please, i got the dillo armor on the PAL version of this game, so im not sure about the others (ntsc-u for example). the item could not be there.

I had never a terrible luck like this when i was hunting for an item. Of course i took a break (months) and didnt play constantly so dont get mad at me if you cant get the dillo armor. Like i said, i cant proof it really but there is not a reason to lie so if you (and others) dont believe me, its fine, i cant do nothing about it. But i have the dillor armor in my inventory without a cheat device or through hacking etc.

Sorry for my english.
30th-March-2015, 15:22
Zorlon

Thing is with any percentage drop rates there is no guarantee you will get the drop at all. even if something had a 90% drop there is a 10% chance you will not get that drop it does not mean that every 100 kills 10 will produce x item or even 100 out of 1000 will drop it either

it's per kill there is a % of a chance the item will drop, but the rest of the % is the % chance of it not dropping per kill, every kill has the same % that is reset rather than it being out of so many kills

so if it's 90% drop killing 10 does not make that 100% chance after every kill it is still 90% chance if you get my meaning
31st-March-2015, 09:09
treos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorlon

Thing is with any percentage drop rates there is no guarantee you will get the drop at all. even if something had a 90% drop there is a 10% chance you will not get that drop it does not mean that every 100 kills 10 will produce x item or even 100 out of 1000 will drop it either

it's per kill there is a % of a chance the item will drop, but the rest of the % is the % chance of it not dropping per kill, every kill has the same % that is reset rather than it being out of so many kills

so if it's 90% drop killing 10 does not make that 100% chance after every kill it is still 90% chance if you get my meaning

and that is exactly why % based drop rates can bu super annoying some times. especially if an item has a low % chance to drop, it can get QUITE frustrating at times.